superold 34 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 165 - Best Wrestler on PSU team 174 - Andrew Howe arguably the best wrestler in college, and contender for Hodge Oh, COME ON!!!!! :roll: Maybe not a contender for the Hodge, but I think he has a case for best wrestler in college. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerbufoon 40 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 Man this is crazy. I thought it was crazy when Ramos got beat by Colon, but Ruth losing didn't even enter my realm of possibility! Why does everyone think its so crazy that someone beats Ramos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flwrestler14 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 This is one of the biggest upsets in recent memory...now I don't think it happens twice but just to happen once is a major accomplishment. I thought Ruth would annihilate everyone on his way to a 3rd NCAA title but I was wrong. What an exciting tournament full of upsets I think the P4P rankings have to go 1. Taylor 2. Howe and then who freakin knows Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerbufoon 40 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 This is one of the biggest upsets in recent memory...now I don't think it happens twice but just to happen once is a major accomplishment. I thought Ruth would annihilate everyone on his way to a 3rd NCAA title but I was wrong. What an exciting tournament full of upsets I think the P4P rankings have to go 1. Taylor 2. Howe and then who freakin knows Its actually like this 1.)Retherford 2.)Taylor 3.)Howe 4.)Nelson 5.)Dean 6.)Ruth 7.)Stieber 8.)StJohn 9.)Dieringer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,824 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 So..... Did anyone burn this match to their desktop and upload to YouTube or similar? I'm sure the flo guys will be too busy managing customer complaints to cruise YouTube, looking for their videos...... Right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BaldwinKnowBest 19 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 First of all, Dean won this match more than Ruth lost it and he deserves his due. There were a few things that I noticed that seemed to be mental lapses by Ruth (or just bad wrestling). 1) The stalling point he gave up by not attemping to execute a mat return turned out to be crucial 2) Ruth had a chance to escape early in the 3rd period to keep his riding time but was lazy facing Dean and allowed him to dive back in on his ankles...Dean subsequently erased the riding time point. However, Dean seemed to be super strong and was able to defend the leg attacks that Ruth always seems to finish. I'm not sure if Ruth expected an easy fall like he got in there first match but it was Dean who controled the pace of the match and Ruth didn't do much to change it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank_Rizzo 336 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 The match is up for free on Flo's home page right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flying-Tiger 617 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 Dean wrestled well on his feet but he also did nothing on the mat. He would just grap the leg and hold it up without trying to do much of anything. On bottom, he would stand and run to the line, stop and fight the return looking for a stall call. This is the kind of match the coaches will review wih Ruth and then it will be back to beat down city...... yea he broke him, ok :lol: Nominated for worst post of the year. Butt-hurt much? Ruth gets it physically taken to him and fades before everyone's eyes and some internet tough guy gets on here and starts talking cr@p about how Ruth is gonna beat the kid down next time! Is this a joke? I assume you wrote "lol" when looking in the mirror. If Dean is beat again this year, regardless of who does it, I highly doubt he will get "beat down". He's a brick with a gas tank - lethal combo. Seems like you are the one that is "butt hurt". Dean was pinned by Ruth and lost to Sheptock this season already so this match was more about Ruth crapping out then Gabe Dean, imo. Feel free to disagree, intelligently, if possible, and we can revisit this in March. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,824 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 You'll hide if dean puts a replay of this on come march. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TwosackJon 1 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 I am a Penn State fan and will say this: If Dean worked harder than Ruth in AND out of the room for the past couple months, then that is the difference right there. Last match of a long, tough tournament (like the NCAAs or B1Gs) you had better be on your A game and fit as can be. Ruth looked GASSED. He lacked the usual explosiveness and quickness. He couldn't even get off bottom! This match is a great example what determination and hard work can do to overcome any kind of talent that doesn't match your work effort. Ruth needs to get to work. That's what this $#!thouse doctor is ordering. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flying-Tiger 617 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 IF Dean does this again in March, I will be here scribe. You should know that by now. I take the bad with the good around here. Example, I'm back this morning already ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pm-01 25 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 Just like in 2011 when Taylor got stuck, Ruth losing steals the wind out from the PSU fans' sail. They're wearing a Calvin scowl again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingofBing 12 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 165 - Best Wrestler on PSU team 174 - Andrew Howe arguably the best wrestler in college, and contender for Hodge Oh, COME ON!!!!! :roll: Maybe not a contender for the Hodge, but I think he has a case for best wrestler in college. No question....agreed. Howe is an absolute beast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scrambler 43 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 It is just my opinion that Dean did an excellent job with his down block preventing Ruth from locking his hands on his single. When Ruth got his hands locked his length and strength in the position gave Dean trouble and he scored. I think Cornell did an excellent job with Dean coaching him in this position and capitalizing on his counter attacks. I think neither did much on the mat and the difference was Dean kept working to prevent that critical riding time that Ruth had. If Ruth goes back to his misdirection single it could be trouble for Dean. It seemed as if Ruth just focused on one shot. Also, i don't think either wrestler looked gassed, they looked like to physical beasts that both were exerting a lot of energy. I'd pay to see a rematch!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brutus81 4 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 Congratulations to Dean. He's a hoss and will be a force to come in the college ranks, if not immediately. But Ruth has to take a long hard look in the mirror because many of the things that have bugged people about him for a while now came back to bite him, as follows: giving up a quick, first period takedown: that's happened several times in this young season, but it was always no biggie, 'cept this time it mattered because Dean was able to ride him and shorten the match considerably . . . the lazy ride on top: people have talked for year about how he flirts with the stalling call on top. Well this time he lost a point at a very inopportune time in the match. Changed the whole complexion of the match. lack of urgency: there were several scores that were out of bounds, or as time expired. Bottom line, he waited too long, was too complacent, 'til it was too late. lack of discipline: getting smashed on a week-night in season was prolly just the tip of the ice-berg and indicative of a wider problem; One thing Dean exposed that I'm not sure we all knew: Ruth too often compensates for the lack of a set-up on his feet with those long arms of his. In other words, he gets take-downs he shouldn't just because of his incredible wing-span. Dean was able to neutralize that by keeping his feet well back and with good head-hands defense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 Excellent breakdown Brutus. Ed is so good that he can often get away with stuff; not this match. I especially noticed the diving shots instead of setting them up. Regarding the discipline thing.. considering the personal problems Ed has/had it's not at all surprising that his wrestling would not be at its best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,483 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 Congratulations to Dean. He's a hoss and will be a force to come in the college ranks, if not immediately. But Ruth has to take a long hard look in the mirror because many of the things that have bugged people about him for a while now came back to bite him, as follows: giving up a quick, first period takedown: that's happened several times in this young season, but it was always no biggie, 'cept this time it mattered because Dean was able to ride him and shorten the match considerably . . . the lazy ride on top: people have talked for year about how he flirts with the stalling call on top. Well this time he lost a point at a very inopportune time in the match. Changed the whole complexion of the match. lack of urgency: there were several scores that were out of bounds, or as time expired. Bottom line, he waited too long, was too complacent, 'til it was too late. lack of discipline: getting smashed on a week-night in season was prolly just the tip of the ice-berg and indicative of a wider problem; One thing Dean exposed that I'm not sure we all knew: Ruth too often compensates for the lack of a set-up on his feet with those long arms of his. In other words, he gets take-downs he shouldn't just because of his incredible wing-span. Dean was able to neutralize that by keeping his feet well back and with good head-hands defense. Great analysis. I 100% agree with this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJWC 305 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 I said a week ago that Ruth was a sloppy wrestler, not nearly the technical wrestler that Taylor is, and will never be a major force internationally. He gets by vs college kids by overpowering them, and using that freakish wingspan. He's sloppy. Great athlete, sloppy wrestler. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheerstress 168 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 Gabe Dean is pretty damn impressive. Announcers saying he is pretty damn thick. Shows some incredible technique and great strength. Anyone have good background on him? Kudos to Dean. Momentous victory. His dad was the top assistant to Minkel at MSU before he stepped down in 2005 to take the coaching position at Lowell. He did it partially because he wanted to coach Gabe in HS. Another one from Michigan we let get away (sigh) :cry: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VQLSWAIN 2 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 How tall is Gabe Dean, he looks considerably thicker through the chest, waist and legs than Ruth... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,483 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 How tall is Gabe Dean, he looks considerably thicker through the chest, waist and legs than Ruth... This is what I said last night. He looked huge compared to Ruth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie 727 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 This is one of the biggest upsets in recent memory...now I don't think it happens twice but just to happen once is a major accomplishment. I thought Ruth would annihilate everyone on his way to a 3rd NCAA title but I was wrong. What an exciting tournament full of upsets I think the P4P rankings have to go 1. Taylor 2. Howe and then who freakin knows Its actually like this 1.)Retherford 2.)Taylor 3.)Howe 4.)Nelson 5.)Dean 6.)Ruth 7.)Stieber 8.)StJohn 9.)Dieringer Calm down Mrs. Retherford. I really can't tell if you're trolling or not, this list is insane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerbufoon 40 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 How tall is Gabe Dean, he looks considerably thicker through the chest, waist and legs than Ruth... This is what I said last night. He looked huge compared to Ruth. Ruth is like a neutron star where Dean is like a main sequence star. Although equal in mass, one is bigger and brighter in appearance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wolverine7 3 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 How tall is Gabe Dean, he looks considerably thicker through the chest, waist and legs than Ruth... 5'10" according to article, hence limited recruiting to play college quarterback. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VQLSWAIN 2 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 Yeah, he legitimately looks like a 197 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
