mh1 2 Report post Posted January 4, 2014 Dylan in Final: trackwrestling.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 3,994 Report post Posted January 4, 2014 He Med FFT in the Finals. No Andrew in the brackets that I saw. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ac1998 1 Report post Posted January 4, 2014 Via PSU sports information twitter feed Quick update from F&M Andrew Alton is very sick... so he won't compete but Dylan will... andrew made the trip but just can't wrestle..sry! 8:52am - 4 Jan 14 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chasden 54 Report post Posted January 4, 2014 I only live around 45 minutes from F&M, and me and my one son were going to go watch today. Well I saw both registered last night on Trackwrestling, and then when I was looking at brackets this morning AA name was gone. I was so bummed, and I then saw someone posted on the one PSU forum he was really sick. I ended up not going then. I hope AA gets better real soon, and great job Dylan getting some wins in today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildTurkey44 321 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 Hey Chasden there are other wrestlers competing besides the Altons. If you chose not to go due to one wrestler not competing then well that just crappy on your part. You missed some excellent matches Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chasden 54 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 Hey Chasden there are other wrestlers competing besides the Altons. If you chose not to go due to one wrestler not competing then well that just crappy on your part. You missed some excellent matches Sorry. You are right. AA has been my favorite wrestler to watch while he was in HS and I was disappointed. I should have took my son anyway, I regret not going. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,499 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 Anyone know the cutoff for getting to the NCAA minimum of 17 matches? Is it before or after the Big10 Championships? I ask this because Andrew Alton had the flu today and could not wrestle, so he has only 3 matches so far. Penn State has 9 duals left. He won't make 17 without going to at least one open tournament like the Shorty Hitchcock Invitational, but even then I don't think he can get to 17 prior to the Big 10 Championships, so he may actually need to go to two open events. Dylan has 6 matches, so he too may need to go to one more open event to absolutely guarantee getting to the 17 number. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SetonHallPirate 988 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 Anyone know the cutoff for getting to the NCAA minimum of 17 matches? Is it before or after the Big10 Championships? I ask this because Andrew Alton had the flu today and could not wrestle, so he has only 3 matches so far. Penn State has 9 duals left. He won't make 17 without going to at least one open tournament like the Shorty Hitchcock Invitational, but even then I don't think he can get to 17 prior to the Big 10 Championships, so he may actually need to go to two open events. Dylan has 6 matches, so he too may need to go to one more open event to absolutely guarantee getting to the 17 number. TBar, whenever the RPI for that particular point in time is run. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flying-Tiger 617 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 They are both going to have to wrestle in some open tournaments if they want to get to 17. Andrew won't even come close with the remaining schedule. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tec87 349 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 Don't they only need the 17 matches to qualify for the different levels to qualify the big 10 a spot at 149 and 157? So if the other guys in the conference met the criteria and qualified a certain number of spots, the Alton's would just have to place in those spots at big 10's right? I'm still a little uncertain of how the qualifying procedures work other than the criteria qualifies conferences X number of spots at a weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,499 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 Don't they only need the 17 matches to qualify for the different levels to qualify the big 10 a spot at 149 and 157? So if the other guys in the conference met the criteria and qualified a certain number of spots, the Alton's would just have to place in those spots at big 10's right? I'm still a little uncertain of how the qualifying procedures work other than the criteria qualifies conferences X number of spots at a weight. tec, the NCAA changed their criteria two years ago to allegedly make is harder to qualify, but I think they left some loopholes. If I interpret them correctly you can qualify with as few as 8 matches and wrestle in their conference championship, but you'd do so as either a league champion or at large bid. In any case, I think you need to meet 2 out of 3 of the qualifying standards listed below. Standard 1 Wrestle 17 matches to qualify for an RPI AND be in the top 33 of the RPI. This is the one where I wasn't sure when the cutoff date was. Standard 2 Top 33 coaches ranking in the ballot that comes out in late February Standard 3 .700 winning percentage + 1 win over an automatic qualifier NCAA rules are notoriously hard to get a grasp on because you read all kinds of articles or language that is often not well written or just plain confusing or contradictory. The way I read the rules it seems possible that a wrestler could get in as few as 8 matches, be in the top 33 of the coaches ranking, wrestle in the Big10 Championships and have beaten an automatic qualifier and they too would qualify. This could be totally wrong, so take it with a grain of salt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LemonPie 1,368 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 looking at the brackets... another underwhelming performance. These guys are toast Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skikayaker 93 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 I almost think a medical red shirt may be the smart move for PSU to pursue with the Alton twins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,233 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 I almost think a medical red shirt may be the smart move for PSU to pursue with the Alton twins. What is the rule for this? My understanding is that they have already red shirted, so they can't get a medical red shirt. There would be an outside shot of a successful petition for a medical hardship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flying-Tiger 617 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 There is no way for the Altons to sit out the season and not burn a year of eligibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,499 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 looking at the brackets... another underwhelming performance. These guys are toast Please do elaborate. How did ''these guys'' underperform? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,499 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 I almost think a medical red shirt may be the smart move for PSU to pursue with the Alton twins. A medical redshirt is not available to them. This season is costing them a year of eligibility no matter what happens, so Penn State may as well try to get them in the lineup. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FiveWords 14 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 This season is costing them a year of eligibility no matter what happens, so Penn State may as well try to get them in the lineup. Yeah. Hell with their health. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,499 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 This season is costing them a year of eligibility no matter what happens, so Penn State may as well try to get them in the lineup. Yeah. Hell with their health. Huh. Where did this come from. They have been cleared by their doctor. Do you know something their doctor's don't know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IRTYTKY 67 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 This season is costing them a year of eligibility no matter what happens, so Penn State may as well try to get them in the lineup. Yeah. Hell with their health. Huh. Where did this come from. They have been cleared by their doctor. Do you know something their doctor's don't know. Just as much as others Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pennsyrules 222 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 I thought a medical redshirt had nothing to do with a regular redshirt and that you could do both as long as medically you were unable to perform. I believe that's what Nickerson did with his shoulder. Now, I guess with the Alton's if they have been medically ok'd to wrestle, they wouldn't get one but if they weren't cleared by their doctor, I believe they could get one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redblades 322 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 I thought a medical redshirt had nothing to do with a regular redshirt and that you could do both as long as medically you were unable to perform. I believe that's what Nickerson did with his shoulder. Nickerson did not do both - he started as a true freshman in 2006, and missed only the 2008 season. He needed to apply for a medical hardship year under University / Ivy rules, but for NCAA eligibility the 2008 season was in effect a redshirt year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roadkill 74 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 I thought a medical redshirt had nothing to do with a regular redshirt and that you could do both as long as medically you were unable to perform. I believe that's what Nickerson did with his shoulder. Now, I guess with the Alton's if they have been medically ok'd to wrestle, they wouldn't get one but if they weren't cleared by their doctor, I believe they could get one. Pennsyrules-a true "medical redshirt" is when you are granted a 6th year of eligibility. In order to get this you need to miss two years of competition due to injury. The Altons do not qualify. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pennsyrules 222 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 Thanks Roadkill. I thought if you were injured for an entire season(1) you could apply for a medical redshirt. I also thought Nickerson actually was at Cornell for 6 years. My bad on both accounts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,045 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 This season is costing them a year of eligibility no matter what happens, so Penn State may as well try to get them in the lineup. Yeah. Hell with their health. Huh. Where did this come from. They have been cleared by their doctor. Do you know something their doctor's don't know. Just as much as others FiveWords is not happy now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
