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Mike McCormack is a good ref, but he got the call wrong in the 149 match. Fleeing is a stall call, not a technical violation. Should have been a stall warning, since there were no prior stall calls. This cost PSU the match.

 

My question is this. What the heck are the 2nd refs doing that they can't chime in and correct the original call? If we have video replay now, why do we even need a 2nd ref...especially since they so rarely change any calls?

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Beitz could have been hit for stalling at least 2 more times throughout the regulation (we know they're almost never calling it in SV/TB), and he wasn't, so this was much ado about nothing in my book. Beitz should have kept wrestling.

 

Your bias opinion doesn't count Vak. If Beitz didn't have a stall call, then the point for fleeing was a mistake, end of discussion.

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Beitz could have been hit for stalling at least 2 more times throughout the regulation (we know they're almost never calling it in SV/TB), and he wasn't, so this was much ado about nothing in my book. Beitz should have kept wrestling.

 

Your bias opinion doesn't count Vak. If Beitz didn't have a stall call, then the point for fleeing was a mistake, end of discussion.

 

Ahh, because you're unbiased in this discussion when compared to me, who doesn't root for either team. And if Beitz was refusing to engage and backing off the mat while Dardanes was moving forwards and shooting for the legs, stalling should have been called. Two misapplications of the rule and they at best balance out for Beitz.

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Beitz did not have a warning, nor should he have. Dardanes did nothing to earn that win. Listen to Gibbons during the match, he clearly states that Beitz is wrestling very smart and never even hints at a stalling warning. How is Dardanes ranked 3rd? He has zero offense from his feet

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Beitz could have been hit for stalling at least 2 more times throughout the regulation (we know they're almost never calling it in SV/TB), and he wasn't, so this was much ado about nothing in my book. Beitz should have kept wrestling.

 

Your bias opinion doesn't count Vak. If Beitz didn't have a stall call, then the point for fleeing was a mistake, end of discussion.

 

Ahh, because you're unbiased in this discussion when compared to me, who doesn't root for either team. And if Beitz was refusing to engage and backing off the mat while Dardanes was moving forwards and shooting for the legs, stalling should have been called. Two misapplications of the rule and they at best balance out for Beitz.

 

It's really quite simple. I am relying on facts while you are relying on opinion. Hope that helps.

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Query . . .

 

The announcers were making a big deal during that exchange about the way Dardanes grabbed hold of Beitz's foot and was twisted it the wrong way, against the joint, forcing Beitz to pull away to avoid injury.

 

I know the refs. couldn't see it, but, if they had, how does that impact the stalling/fleeing the mat call?

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Beitz did not have a warning, nor should he have. Dardanes did nothing to earn that win. Listen to Gibbons during the match, he clearly states that Beitz is wrestling very smart and never even hints at a stalling warning. How is Dardanes ranked 3rd? He has zero offense from his feet

 

Beitz was wrestling smart because he is an inferior wrestler who got one TD early and shut down wrestling for the rest of the match hoping to win off that one TD, which is a common strategy for a wrestler to employ vs. a superior opponent. Dardanes continued to press forward for the entirety of the match and continued to attack the legs while Beitz backed off the mat and refused to engage. Dardanes should not have gotten 1 for a Fleeing call, but he should have from Beitz' obvious stalling.

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Oh c'mon guys. Arguing about whether he should have had a stall warning is beside the point. The fact is, the ref made a mistake and misapplied the rule and gave a point when he should have given a stall warning. The assistant ref also blew it by not catching it. The PSU coaches have to get in line as well - they should know the rules as well as the refs and they too, didn't catch it. As it turns out, the missed call may have tilted the outcome of the dual.

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Penn State fans making excuses for losing. I would say Alton getting pinned. Beitz giving up the OT takedown, Brown nearly getting decked twice are the main reasons your beloved Nittany Lions lost sir. Accept it and move on

 

No excuses. The dual doesn't really mean squat in the grand scheme, but they should be scored properly...especially when the refs have time to review and change the decision. Beitz shouldn't have gone to OT, that is the point. Even with The Alton pin and and Brown's loss, PSU still should have won the dual.

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Penn State fans making excuses for losing. I would say Alton getting pinned. Beitz giving up the OT takedown, Brown nearly getting decked twice are the main reasons your beloved Nittany Lions lost sir. Accept it and move on

 

I'm a PSU fan, and I do accept that they lost. I can't guarantee that Dardanes wouldn't have gotten a Takedown or forced a 2nd stall call. Beitz also still had every opportunity to win it in the 2nd OT. He failed to do so.

 

However, based on the rules, "Fleeing the mat" is no longer a technical violation. A point should not have been awarded, as it would have been Beitz first stall call, if the rule had been correctly applied.

 

Congrats to Minnesota. PSU had many other opportunities to win this dual. It was very entertaining, and quite frankly, while I would like to win all duals, it will do little to take away from the excitement that I will feel IF we win our 4th straight title in Oklahoma City. :)

 

I have a lot of respect for Minnesota and J. Robinson. Their kids always compete hard and appear to do things the right way. I like to watch them wrestle. Ness has to rank in the top 10 of most exciting wrestlers ever. Win or lose, the fireworks are going to go off.

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It's really quite simple. I am relying on facts while you are relying on opinion. Hope that helps.

 

It's really quite simple: Beitz had a bad call go against him with a TON of time left in the match and still did nothing to try to ensure the victory for himself. It's not like the match ended on that call, and it's not like Dardanes would have said "welp, I'm going to continue to wrestle this match the same way I would have if they had given me 1 point for Fleeing" and lose by the 1 point margin.

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Beitz did not have a warning, nor should he have. Dardanes did nothing to earn that win. Listen to Gibbons during the match, he clearly states that Beitz is wrestling very smart and never even hints at a stalling warning. How is Dardanes ranked 3rd? He has zero offense from his feet

 

Beitz was wrestling smart because he is an inferior wrestler who got one TD early and shut down wrestling for the rest of the match hoping to win off that one TD, which is a common strategy for a wrestler to employ vs. a superior opponent. Dardanes continued to press forward for the entirety of the match and continued to attack the legs while Beitz backed off the mat and refused to engage. Dardanes should not have gotten 1 for a Fleeing call, but he should have from Beitz' obvious stalling.

 

You clearly watched a different match than what Jim Gibbons saw. Dardanes pushes forward just like the Iowa style that you admire. Pushing forward is not taking a shot. Dardanes couldn't even get to the legs of a back up freshman who has 7 losses on the season, and who is long and lanky.

 

Take off the Iowa glasses and rewind the match and watch it again. Beitz circles, controls the ties and uses low ankle attacks to keep Dardanes at bay. No stalling whatsoever

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I did not see Beitz stall. You want to see blatant stalling, watch Jeve stall against the little Dardanes the entire match at Iowa. That was pathetic and as biased officiating you will ever see.

 

Sure, Dziewa stalled his ass off in that match. So did Beitz.

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Quotes from Gibbons during the match

 

"Dardanes is unable to get off his shot"

"Beitz is clearly beating Dardanes to the punch"

"Beitz wisely circles back in, and gets his shot off"

"Surprised that Dardanes is unable to finish that shot"

 

That was just the 3rd period

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Glad you brought that point up npope. What were the PSU coaches doing when this call was made? The refs may have blown the call, but the PSU coaches had every opportunity to take them to the table to get it corrected. It's obvious that they either did not know the rule, or did not catch it when it occurred. For all the whining and moaning the PSU fans are doing, it all could have been avoided if their coaching staff had been on the ball.

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And you guys wonder why PSU/PA wrestling fans are considered the most annoying. Great team, BS fans.

 

Dude you are the biggest hater on this forum by far. I am so sorry we are far superior to your state, get over it already. Move on and let it go, you will be much happier. :lol:

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Beitz was wrestling smart because he is an inferior wrestler...

Yes.

 

He wrestled just like Gilman, Dziewa, Kelly, Moore, Evans, Lofthouse and Brooks did when Iowa wrestled Penn State.

 

Great matches today from Ness and Storley!

 

McIntosh outwrestled Schiller, who didn't give that one away. Best overall performance by a Penn State wrestler on the day.

 

Mega had a lot of action but probably could have cut and released for another TD.

 

Gulibon needs to be careful when he gets his feet caught under his butt (he was lucky a couple of times today - Thorn is the type that could put him striaght to his back in that position).

 

Retherford looked strong against a very tough 2x AA in Dardanes.

 

Beitz - well, apparently he's "inferior". Regardless, a blown call may/may not have made the difference against a 2013 AA.

 

Alton almost got hit with the elevator in the 1st. down 3-0 maybe look to throw there and stay off the legs. Ness is a freak (love his style, always looking to pin!).

 

Taylor wrestled for a couple of minutes at most, with no sense of urgency (again) in a dual that Penn State needed a pin or tech.

 

Storley did a great job on the counters. I like Brown in a BIG rematch.

 

Ruth wrestled really well. Steinhaus looks good at this point in the season and will be a tough draw for anyone at NCAAs.

 

Gingrich - meh, heavyweights...

 

Excellent job by Minnesota! They are THE BIG 10 Dual Champions.

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Beitz was wrestling smart because he is an inferior wrestler...

Yes.

 

He wrestled just like Gilman, Dziewa, Kelly, Moore, Evans, Lofthouse and Brooks did when Iowa wrestled Penn State.

 

Great matches today from Ness and Storley!

 

McIntosh outwrestled Schiller, who didn't give that one away. Best overall performance by a Penn State wrestler on the day.

 

Mega had a lot of action but probably could have cut and released for another TD.

 

Gulibon needs to be careful when he gets his feet caught under his butt (he was lucky a couple of times today - Thorn is the type that could put him striaght to his back in that position).

 

Retherford looked strong against a very tough 2x AA in Dardanes.

 

Beitz - well, apparently he's "inferior". Regardless, a blown call may/may not have made the difference against a 2013 AA.

 

Alton almost got hit with the elevator in the 1st. down 3-0 maybe look to throw there and stay off the legs. Ness is a freak (love his style, always looking to pin!).

 

Taylor wrestled for a couple of minutes at most, with no sense of urgency (again) in a dual that Penn State needed a pin or tech.

 

Storley did a great job on the counters. I like Brown in a BIG rematch.

 

Ruth wrestled really well. Steinhaus looks good at this point in the season and will be a tough draw for anyone at NCAAs.

 

Gingrich - meh, heavyweights...

 

Excellent job by Minnesota! They are THE BIG 10 Dual Champions.

 

Correction, Minnesota is one of THE BIG 10 Dual Co-Champions.

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