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There are hundreds of thousands of high school wrestlers alone that would watch this stuff and get hooked on it if there were duals show like this one with title implications

 

Just think if penn state and oklahomna state would have wrestled last year or cornell and penn state the year before those would have been some more big matches that people would eat up but let's not take away from caels chances at titles because it is his turn to have a dynasty and we can't risk that

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Just think if penn state and oklahomna state would have wrestled last year or cornell and penn state the year before those would have been some more big matches that people would eat up but let's not take away from caels chances at titles because it is his turn to have a dynasty and we can't risk that

 

You do realize there is nothing stopping any of these teams from scheduling the others teams?

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Fact we can try to hype up some individual matches like we did with dake and taylor and that is great but if we don't have a match like that to hype or something happens and they don't meet up it is all a waste

 

We can hype ten teams and all their athletes much easier than the 60 potential finalists and people will tune in to watch a team rather than an individual

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Just think if penn state and oklahomna state would have wrestled last year or cornell and penn state the year before those would have been some more big matches that people would eat up but let's not take away from caels chances at titles because it is his turn to have a dynasty and we can't risk that

 

You do realize there is nothing stopping any of these teams from scheduling the others teams?

 

Yes bc we should know who the top teams will be in advance bc we don't want to shuffle any of the teams in the top it isn't like teams refuse to schedule cornell and northern iowa bc they are affraid to take a loss right

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Just think if penn state and oklahomna state would have wrestled last year or cornell and penn state the year before those would have been some more big matches that people would eat up but let's not take away from caels chances at titles because it is his turn to have a dynasty and we can't risk that

 

You do realize there is nothing stopping any of these teams from scheduling the others teams?

 

Uh... yes there is. Some teams (or team's coaches) have repeatedly refused to wrestle other teams. Happens that way in football too. But in a true playoff format, everybody at least has a shot at the best.

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There are hundreds of thousands of high school wrestlers alone that would watch this stuff and get hooked on it if there were duals show like this one with title implications

 

Just think if penn state and oklahomna state would have wrestled last year or cornell and penn state the year before those would have been some more big matches that people would eat up but let's not take away from caels chances at titles because it is his turn to have a dynasty and we can't risk that

 

How would PSU wrestling duals against anybody affect Cael's chances of winning titles? PSU has been the best tournament team the last few years. Or are you saying that since Cael is winning it all using the system that HAS ALWAYS BEEN USED TO DETERMINE THE NATIONAL CHAMPION that he is a chicken**** because he doesn't want to change to the unproven dual/tourney format that has been the hot topic issue on the boards for the last few weeks?

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There are hundreds of thousands of high school wrestlers alone that would watch this stuff and get hooked on it if there were duals show like this one with title implications

 

Just think if penn state and oklahomna state would have wrestled last year or cornell and penn state the year before those would have been some more big matches that people would eat up but let's not take away from caels chances at titles because it is his turn to have a dynasty and we can't risk that

 

How would PSU wrestling duals against anybody affect Cael's chances of winning titles? PSU has been the best tournament team the last few years. Or are you saying that since Cael is winning it all using the system that HAS ALWAYS BEEN USED TO DETERMINE THE NATIONAL CHAMPION that he is a **** because he doesn't want to change to the unproven dual/tourney format that has been the hot topic issue on the boards for the last few weeks?

 

Cael says duals are the best way to grow the sport but he doesn't want them to crown the team title while it just so happens he keeps losing duels despite always being the favorite

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Non wrestling people will watch this.

 

Non wrestlers have no idea what is happening on the mat and no appreciation of it.

 

i think there is some truth to this. but thats also true for a huge number of college fans that show up to basketball and football games for the party and have no idea whats going on on the court/field.

 

i dont think a dual tourney is going to catapult NCAA wrestling into the mainstream, or anything close to it, but i think its essential to cracking into that casual fan market, which is essential for getting administrations to thinking more favorably about the sport and will ultimately lead to more D1 programs.

 

least thats the general idea. and if it doesnt work, at least the fans that are already paying attention get some awesome duals meets out of it!

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what is easier

 

getting high school wrestlers or youth wrestling dads to watch the finals of the midlands on the big ten network

 

or

 

getting high school wrestlers or youth wrestling dads to watch a dual big ten network and cheer for a team bc they like the schools colors or football team or have heard of the coach or bc they are the underdog

 

people like to watch things they feel like they know about and no one knows the athletes except for the people on these forums you can bet there are a ton of season ticket holders at the top schools that don't even know the names of the athletes at their rival schools but they cheer for their team religiously just like basketball and football fans do

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Non wrestling people will watch this.

 

Non wrestlers have no idea what is happening on the mat and no appreciation of it.

 

thank you and your attitude for the loss of 2/3 of our college programs. Go wrestling!!!

 

Or thank Title IX and a host of other factors none of which is recognizing the reality of the fan base wrestling has.

 

A better point would be to compare the excitement generated by the national individual tournament vs. the national dual tournament already in place. We have 25 years of comparison so it shouldn’t be hard to pick the winning formula.

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Duals make heroes

They make great story telling.

They make great television.

 

If we are a fringe sport, fine- stay the same.

 

If we want more exposure, the path is clear

 

Concur completely

 

 

You guys do realize you can trump up a pending dual like PSU/Minny but you may just as well get the results of this years PSU?Iowa dual....Great TV or Great Bust??

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Duals make heroes

They make great story telling.

They make great television.

 

If we are a fringe sport, fine- stay the same.

 

If we want more exposure, the path is clear

 

Concur completely

 

 

You guys do realize you can trump up a pending dual like PSU/Minny but you may just as well get the results of this years PSU?Iowa dual....Great TV or Great Bust??

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Duals make heroes

They make great story telling.

They make great television.

 

If we are a fringe sport, fine- stay the same.

 

If we want more exposure, the path is clear

 

Concur completely

 

 

You can hype all the duals you want and get a network to broadcast it but for all the hype of PSU?Minny and the fact it lived up to the bild up you may just as well come up with this years PSU?Iowa dual :shock:

 

Great TV or Bust??

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Duals make heroes

They make great story telling.

They make great television.

 

If we are a fringe sport, fine- stay the same.

 

If we want more exposure, the path is clear

 

Concur completely

 

 

You can hype all the duals you want and get a network to broadcast it but for all the hype of PSU?Minny and the fact it lived up to the bild up you may just as well come up with this years PSU?Iowa dual :shock:

 

Great TV or Bust??

 

Great TV.

 

The Iowa dual was a huge draw for fans and there were a lot of eyes on the dual. A highly marketable dual with a lot of people interested in watching it.

 

And though it was more one sided than a lot of people had planned, or hoped it would be, it was a big part of the reason that the PSU/Minnesota dual was so exciting for fans. By PSU handling Iowa like they did it made a lot of people think they were invincible. It is these building story lines of a season, and not any one singular event, that really helps to sell an audience. This is part of the reason I think a progressing event from week to week would do the sport well.

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I've gone to a lot of duals through my 45 years of following the sport. There are exciting duals, and there are boring duals. We should take a lesson from the International Styles and make a few crucial changes in our sport which will make it more exciting and easier to understand. There have been many suggestions that seem to generate support from the knowledgeable people on this board.

 

A- Many of us feel inactivity makes the sport difficult to sit through even for us super fans. The modern day referee is tired of getting beat up for calling stalling. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Perhaps it's not really all that difficult to develop an objective approach to making our sport more fun to watch. Maybe a verbal warning for laying on your stomach, almost immediately, then if nothing happens a stalemate, and then the next time you go there, a passivity or stall warning after a specified, yet short period of time. Have the referee give an arm signal counting the seconds. Same on riding hip to hip. Givem 10 seconds and then start talking to them, and repeat. Kill the 1920's riding time point. If they are working for a fall, let them ride, if not force them to create more favorable scoring positions and see if the points don't begin to increase. Neutral, come up with something...anything objective, so the refs will not be left out in right field if they make a call. i.e. possibly 3 legitimate scoring attempts more than your opponent earns a stall call...or even 3 unanswered, but something that no one feels like they are getting railed when they get hit with stalling. Have a 15 second demonstration preceding the telecasts of the matches, so the audience will know what's going on. I was an average high school coach for 29 years, and I promise you, that would be beneficial and easily translated by high school coaches, so I know the big boys could pull this off.

 

B- Push out rule...and then we don't even have to worry about fleeing the mat!

There, I've solved all of our problems, you guys got anything else?

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