OtisCampbell 94 Report post Posted March 9, 2014 Delgado plays the edge and backs up. His style really looks nothing like St John, Retherford, or anyone else mentioned in this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superold 34 Report post Posted March 9, 2014 Nico does absolutely need to find ways to finish against Delgado, but, that is easier said than done. He is so strong and is a phenomenal scrambler. Honestly, I don't think Delgado warranted two calls, as he wasn't running or avoiding contact. However, I would have hit him for a warning for a lack of attempting any offense, while his opponent is constantly attacking. Delgado deserved the win, but, I would have liked to have seen a warning on Delgado. I didn't see Megaludis constantly attacking throughout the entire match. Did you have the TV on? 8+ shots to maybe one shot from delgado. Id call that constantly attacking 8 shots doesn't necessarily equal "constantly attacking". In this case, I don't think it does. Taking more shots doesn't have to mean "constantly attacking" it can simply mean taking more shots than your opponent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madcat11 402 Report post Posted March 9, 2014 I root for Delgado vs. Mega any day, but that was an uncomfortable amount defensive wrestling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mvattivo 47 Report post Posted March 9, 2014 I didn't see Megaludis constantly attacking throughout the entire match. Did you have the TV on? 8+ shots to maybe one shot from delgado. Id call that constantly attacking 8 shots doesn't necessarily equal "constantly attacking". In this case, I don't think it does. Taking more shots doesn't have to mean "constantly attacking" it can simply mean taking more shots than your opponent. Sorry, I'll just agree to disagree. On your feet, attempting offensive moves is the definition of attacking. Megaludis was constantly making offensive attempts, Delgado was reacting to those offensive attempts, albeit with fantastic strength and technique. Delgado won, he deserved to win. Time to move on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old_Marine_Wrestler 245 Report post Posted March 9, 2014 Wow the grapes get sour in happy valley. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Agree. Its not Delgado's fault. If the rules allow it... Refs allow it, not the rules. Even with Jessie diving off and pulling the ankle to torque the knee, Megaludis and the Penn State coaches know that's his style. They need to devlop a finish for it. They've wrestled enough times, it's not as if it's a surprise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matburn155 3 Report post Posted March 9, 2014 A lot of people, including myself, get onto Nelson, but IMO this match was worse. Delgado was obviously stalling throughout most of the match. Megaludis shoots, Delgado grabs a leg and waits until stalemate. Rinse and repeat. It's not counter wrestling if you are not looking to score. I don't blame Delgado though, as I have said before, I blame the refs who allow this to happen. They need to wake up. Btw....I don't have a dog in this fight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDB50 11 Report post Posted March 9, 2014 Most of what I see posted is in regard to neutral wrestling......he did just as much while riding below the waist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 690 Report post Posted March 9, 2014 thread started after Delgado's SF win over Clark... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=359545 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElChangodeAmor 12 Report post Posted March 9, 2014 How is what Jesse did stalling and what Ramos did not? Yet there are no threads on how pathetic the 3rd period was at 133 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ropeadope 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2014 I didn't have a dog in the fight, I'm a Mizzou fan. Am I the only one who thought the match was exciting as hell! Had friends over and watching on BTN and laughing about how in the old days guys couldn't counter at all like these guys today! Kind of compared to our tech saviness vs kids! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JBluegill133 274 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 just watched the match over again on BTN2GO delgado outshot megaludis 5-3 in the first....2nd he rode him out until a few seconds left and 3rd vice versa for nico...both were equally conservative in the ot periods....most rolls and scrambles were initiated by delgado when megaluid was on top and dropped to a single leg....i will never understand how constant motion and circling will be considered stalling...then i watch DSJ's match and I dont think (havent rewatched though could be wrong) he took an offensive shot until the 3rd period...but because he was just bulldozing forward and pushing green out of bounds that is considered offense? Help me understand please? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDB50 11 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 I don't consider circling, backing or pushing forward without shooting anything less than stalling! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldude 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 Boy, if the boxing world listened to you guys concerning forward movement, backpedaling, use of the ring and strategy (or lack thereof) Sonny Liston would still be champ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bman546 11 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 Not an IL, guy or a PSU guy, but Delgado is horrific to watch. He goes backwards off the whistle every time and then circles away and back to the edge. It has proven very effective for him, and yes Mega must find a way to finish a shot, but Delgado's running away is disgraceful. However, as long as he gets away with it, he can do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snapspinscore 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 just watched the match over again on BTN2GO delgado outshot megaludis 5-3 in the first....2nd he rode him out until a few seconds left and 3rd vice versa for nico...both were equally conservative in the ot periods....most rolls and scrambles were initiated by delgado when megaluid was on top and dropped to a single leg....i will never understand how constant motion and circling will be considered stalling...then i watch DSJ's match and I dont think (havent rewatched though could be wrong) he took an offensive shot until the 3rd period...but because he was just bulldozing forward and pushing green out of bounds that is considered offense? Help me understand please? You are 100% correct sir. I don't understand this logic either. Delgado was clearly trying to score off all of those scrambles. Constant motion. I don't understand how this match wasn't exciting to people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronChef 714 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 I don't think it was boring; I just think it was criminal that Delgado wasn't called for stalling either while constantly backing up or riding below the waist on top. There was a lot of action in the match, and it was almost all initiated by Megaludis with Delgado doing a great job countering. If you never attack or initiate, you are stalling. Delgado was stalling. That doesn't mean that Megaludis should have won, just that Delgado should have been penalized multiple times in the match. Lots of this in the finals today. Delgado, Ramos, Heflin, and Nelson all won matches where they did little to nothing on their feet. How many stalling calls combined did these four accrue? Less than 3? It's a disgrace that the officials let this happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superold 34 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 I don't think it was boring; I just think it was criminal that Delgado wasn't called for stalling either while constantly backing up or riding below the waist on top. There was a lot of action in the match, and it was almost all initiated by Megaludis with Delgado doing a great job countering. If you never attack or initiate, you are stalling. Delgado was stalling. That doesn't mean that Megaludis should have won, just that Delgado should have been penalized multiple times in the match. Lots of this in the finals today. Delgado, Ramos, Heflin, and Nelson all won matches where they did little to nothing on their feet. How many stalling calls combined did these four accrue? Less than 3? It's a disgrace that the officials let this happen. How do you know that Delgado wasn't setting up Megaludis to shoot? I didn't see stalling from Delgado in that match. At least not anything that I would have called. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silver-medal 670 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 Thought it was a great match between two evenly matched competitors. No question that they both gave a huge effort. I realize Mega initiated more offense. But I don't think we'd like our sport if guys were forced to take bad shots. Better to leave things alone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuskyHero133 52 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 Not an IL, guy or a PSU guy, but Delgado is horrific to watch. He goes backwards off the whistle every time and then circles away and back to the edge. It has proven very effective for him, and yes Mega must find a way to finish a shot, but Delgado's running away is disgraceful. However, as long as he gets away with it, he can do it. He really, really is. Rationalization of his style does not do him any justice. I don't remember it being this bad with him last year. He was always a "counter" wrestler, but never relied COMPLETELY on jumping backwards on the whistle to get his heels on the out of bounds line and just waiting for action to funk out of. And I don't get people saying that Mega has to find a way to finish. How can you finish when your opponent is literally inches away from the OOB line? No matter how crisp your finishes are a scramble will always end with a ref stoppage. It was the same thing with the Clark match. Initiated no offense on his own, not even counter shots per se that I recall. Just bouncing back right off the whistle so they are forced to wrestle on the edge of out of bounds. If that isn't stalling, I don't know what is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,585 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 I was surprised Mega didn't win the ride-outs. I always thought he was the better mat wrestler and better conditioned overall. Not the case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuskyHero133 52 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 I don't think it was boring; I just think it was criminal that Delgado wasn't called for stalling either while constantly backing up or riding below the waist on top. There was a lot of action in the match, and it was almost all initiated by Megaludis with Delgado doing a great job countering. If you never attack or initiate, you are stalling. Delgado was stalling. That doesn't mean that Megaludis should have won, just that Delgado should have been penalized multiple times in the match. Lots of this in the finals today. Delgado, Ramos, Heflin, and Nelson all won matches where they did little to nothing on their feet. How many stalling calls combined did these four accrue? Less than 3? It's a disgrace that the officials let this happen. How do you know that Delgado wasn't setting up Megaludis to shoot? I didn't see stalling from Delgado in that match. At least not anything that I would have called. Because he wasn't setting Mega up to shoot. If that was what he was doing, he would have been shooting the whole match. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superold 34 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 Because he wasn't setting Mega up to shoot. If that was what he was doing, he would have been shooting the whole match. No, I mean maybe Delgado was setting up Megaludis to shoot on him. Maybe he was baiting Megaludis into taking bad shots? Choosing his shots for him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNTwrestle 10 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 Does that official know what stalling is? He's the same official that screwed up the Grajales/Alton match. That guy must have been busy. Another thread says it was him that made the worst call of the weekend out east. Regardless of which was actually him, they're pretty much all horrible anymore, so it doesn't matter much which one you get. I have to say #7 at the B1G tournament was the most consistently bad (or at least biased) I saw all weekend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan 2 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 Who is this djd troll? Biggest fricking crybaby this side of Megaludis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan 2 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 Wow the grapes get sour in happy valley. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I go to PSU and wouldve love to see my friend Nico win a big10 championship. But you cannot honestly believe that Delgado deserved to win that match. Let's see. NCAA Titles: Delgado One Megaludis ZERO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
