Question About Delgado vs. Megaludis

[madcat11 434]

My feed cut out for the last 30 seconds of the match. I saw that Megaludis took a lead, but I thought Delgado had RT and that they would go into OT? What happened?

[LordNelson 552]

Nico got a TD after a shot scramble that held a position for at least 10 seconds. Wouldn't have minded the td call except it came after no change in position for quite some time which gave Delgado no time to react or really indicated any true control.

[madcat11 434]

Nico got a TD after a shot scramble that held a position for at least 10 seconds. Wouldn't have minded the td call except it came after no change in position for quite some time which gave Delgado no time to react or really indicated any true control.

 

 

So I was wrong, and Delgado did NOT have RT, or did that last 10 seconds of Nico's control run down the RT?

[LordNelson 552]

RT was not a factor, at like :58 when they were nuetral with Delgado leading 3-2.

[AKHUNTER 316]

that position was held for much more than ten seconds....Perry was yelling for stalemate for at least 10 seconds.

[Guest Hammerlock3]

It was flatly the worst call i have ever seen.

[headshuck 2,586]

If true, Perry needs to teach the "look busy to avoid a stalemate" technique he used vs Hendricks.

[Guest Hammerlock3]

If true, Perry needs to teach the "look busy to avoid a stalemate" technique he used vs Hendricks.

 

 

no one knows what you are talking about

[LongShot 13]

It was a really strange position due to megaludis's flexiblity. Not sure the refs have ever seen one like that. I liked the call.

[Guest Hammerlock3]

well you are an idiot

[wrestle09 0]

Hammerlock... strange position that Im not sure i have ever seen before. At first I wasn't sure it was two, but after just watching it with a buddy of mine we both agreed it was two. In fact I think the referee did a good job not awarding the 2 until Nico locked both of his hands around Delgado's legs and flattened Delgado to the mat(putting his weight in to him). While Delgado had Nico"s leg..Nico was in the "control " position. We see 2 points awarded frequently when wrestler A has his arms around wrestler B's leg but wrestler B comes around behind and laces the ankle of wrestler A and wrestler B has his hips behind A's hips and his weight in to him. Different situation but similar in that merely grabbing on to someone's leg is meaningless if the opponent is in control. And the position did change(in nico's favor) at precisely the time the 2 was awarded. That being said Delgado has some sick "perry like" funks against Nico's leg attacks. Glad I didn't referee this match!!!!

[VakAttack 3,987]

It was a bad call, a really bad call. That said, Delgado stopped attacking and when you leave it that close, you subject yourself to a bad call.

[wrestle09 0]

Stopped attacking?? Delgado had a nice leg attack in first period and a very nice finish to Nico's split. But for 80 percent of the match Nico was stalking Delgado or on Delgado's legs. I counted in deep 4 times. Nico better learn how to counter Delgado's funks. Delgado instantly went to the funk as soon as nico was on his legs. Very Perry like. And YES it was 2.

[VakAttack 3,987]

And YES it was 2.

 

 

Oh, well, that settles it, then.

[FATMANROLL 54]

Why yes it is settled. The ref awarded two!

[madcat11 434]

And YES it was 2.

 

 

Oh, well, that settles it, then.

 

 

Haha

[rossel3 77]

It seemed to me like there was no change in position for 10-15 sec, then the ref signaled TD. That's kind of what the announcers were saying as well. A generous call for Megaludis, imo. But I will say that Delgado got too conservative after his lead and RT, while Nico attacked.

 

As far as refs not having seen a position like that, I disagree. Welch has been in a similar position in several matches I have seen, where the opponent has his leg, but can't do anything more, with Welch is doing the splits.

[wrestle09 0]

An absolute change in position. Nico locks his hands (around both legs), and flattens Delgado out. That cannot be argued! I'm done debating this one guys.

[two-six 1]

I wanna see the video, or the position to judge for myself. Not that I am without bias, but there has been an awful lot of bias from normally fair posters lately.

 

Any links?

[VakAttack 3,987]

I wanna see the video, or the position to judge for myself. Not that I am without bias, but there has been an awful lot of bias from normally fair posters lately.

 

Any links?

 

 

 

Not a great angle. Delgado has the leg still.

[madcat11 434]

I wanna see the video, or the position to judge for myself. Not that I am without bias, but there has been an awful lot of bias from normally fair posters lately.

 

Any links?

 

That angle favors Megaludis a little more than did Flo's angle.

 

I thought it should have been a no call, but I can't say it was a terrible call either.

[tbert 563]

megaludis was in no better posistion than he was 15 seconds earlier. the moment became to large for this ref who felt the pressure to call something .. and blew it.

 

these refs were not of all star quality

[two-six 1]

Thanks.

After watching I still have no idea =p

 

I don't see how anybody else could be so positive either way.

 

Nico seems a bit faster, but Delgado was tough on top and has the funk going. 125 is going to be exciting.

 

Edit: After watching the last part over a couple times, it seems like the ref was talking to them? My imagination?

[superfluidity 4]

There is nothing in the rule book which states that if a wrestler has another wrestlers ankle against their chest that they are immune from getting scored on.

 

This is merely something we have come to expect due to convention. The description of a takedown in the NCAA rulebook is very vague, and we really rely upon the conventional judgement of referees to fill any gaps. Conventionally referees do not call a takedown if a wrestler is in possession of his opponent's leg, but this situation stretched the boundaries of this common situation so much, that convention had to be denied.

 

I was matside, Nico controlled the hips, and was behind his opponent, the fact that Delgado had the ankle is immaterial. This is a take down for Nico, the only thing the ref did wrong is not call it sooner

[LordNelson 552]

megaludis was in no better posistion than he was 15 seconds earlier. the moment became to large for this ref who felt the pressure to call something .. and blew it.

 

these refs were not of all star quality

Except McCormick is accepted as the top official in the country, other than that they sucked.

 

Don't mind the call, should've made it sooner.