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50kg: Josiah Seaton drops his first match 8-0 against Russia, the Russian got DQ'ed next round and eliminiates Seaton.

60kg: Dante Rodriguez drops his first match 8-0 against Russia. The Russian won his next match to keep Rodriguez's medal hopes alive.

74kg: Jon Jay Chavez wins his first match 7-2 against Poland and drops his second match 3-0 against ROU.

96kg: Beazley drops his first match 12-2 against Russia, the Russian drops his next match and eliminates Beazley.

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Our entire Greco Program needs an overhaul. Coach Lindland has his work cut out for him. I realize he was a late spring hire, and the best he can do is work this summer is work with the talent he has.  

 

After the senior World Championships he is going to have to put together a program that elevates these guys to another level. I'm not sure what happen to our Greco Program. in 2007 we won a World Team title at the senior level, we had an incredible development program at northern Michigan (Coach by World Silver medalist Ivan Ivanov), where most of those kids in the Northen Michigan program were challenging the senior level guys and consistently winning Junior World medals. USOEC wrestlers absolutely dominated the FILA Juniors and University Nationals, and one USOEC wrestler at the time (Lester) made a World Team and medaled at the Senior level.  

 

The solution is investing in the development program. The USOEC program lost alot of funding (no full scholarships anymore), while by comparison, the freestyle program has expanded it Regional Training Centers throughout the U.S. (almost all the top colleges for wrestling - Penn State, Ohio State, Minnesota, Arizona State, Iowa, Iowa State) has a regional training center for freestyle,  and their student athletes are on scholarship.  Not so with Greco, and until this changes we will continue to see the results.

 

The options also for senior level involvement are very sparse. Essentially it boils down to the U.S. Army's WCAP program, or Minnesota Storm. Two great programs, but Lindland is going to need to create some incentives for new senior level clubs to emerge.  In 2007 the year we won the World's in Greco all of the armed force greco programs were competitive, we had Minnesota storm, Gator club, NYAC, and as I stated earlier a very, very strong USOEC program that was pushing the senior level wrestler.  

 

I think we can get back, and surpass where we were. If your reading this coach Lindland, I have confidence that your the man you can guide to a new level. 

 

With all that being said, I'm optimistic about Coon's chances in Greco,   

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Unfortunately nothing too shocking here... we don't typically tend to fair very well in international Greco-Roman at the younger age groups (below senior) and sometimes struggle even at the senior level.

 

I thought that our best hopes for medals were going to be Chavez, Coon, and Beazley and probably in close to that order.  With Greco you never know and one of the other guys could surprise us tomorrow but I would imagine Coon is our best bet.

 

I really thought Chavez would be our best bet given that he tends to be particularly dominant domestically and comes across as more of a true Greco specialist displaying a good skill set for the style and that is bolstered by his Cadet world medal last year.  However, the move from Cadet to Junior is a big one.  It would appear that he was at least not blown-out in his lose.

 

In the long run just not sure we grasp the nuances / get the full-time high level training in this style to be competitive with the rest of the world at the younger ages.  Folkstyle being relatively similar to freestyle helps marginalize those issues for us in that style.

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After viewing the interview with coach Rob Hermann, which covered the performance of our first four Greco wrestlers, his belief was that our guys need international experience. I agree, and hopefully our program can do the things it needs to do, to accomplish this.

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Our entire Greco Program needs an overhaul. Coach Lindland has his work cut out for him. I realize he was a late spring hire, and the best he can do is work this summer is work with the talent he has.  

 

After the senior World Championships he is going to have to put together a program that elevates these guys to another level. I'm not sure what happen to our Greco Program. in 2007 we won a World Team title at the senior level, we had an incredible development program at northern Michigan (Coach by World Silver medalist Ivan Ivanov), where most of those kids in the Northen Michigan program were challenging the senior level guys and consistently winning Junior World medals. USOEC wrestlers absolutely dominated the FILA Juniors and University Nationals, and one USOEC wrestler at the time (Lester) made a World Team and medaled at the Senior level.  

 

The solution is investing in the development program. The USOEC program lost alot of funding (no full scholarships anymore), while by comparison, the freestyle program has expanded it Regional Training Centers throughout the U.S. (almost all the top colleges for wrestling - Penn State, Ohio State, Minnesota, Arizona State, Iowa, Iowa State) has a regional training center for freestyle,  and their student athletes are on scholarship.  Not so with Greco, and until this changes we will continue to see the results.

 

The options also for senior level involvement are very sparse. Essentially it boils down to the U.S. Army's WCAP program, or Minnesota Storm. Two great programs, but Lindland is going to need to create some incentives for new senior level clubs to emerge.  In 2007 the year we won the World's in Greco all of the armed force greco programs were competitive, we had Minnesota storm, Gator club, NYAC, and as I stated earlier a very, very strong USOEC program that was pushing the senior level wrestler.  

 

I think we can get back, and surpass where we were. If your reading this coach Lindland, I have confidence that your the man you can guide to a new level. 

 

With all that being said, I'm optimistic about Coon's chances in Greco,   

Greco has a 3rd option, the OTC. With that being said the coaching options for greco at the Jr. and cadet levels are also slim. There are very few guys capable of producing internationally competitive cadet and jr wrestlers. Compound that with how our matches are officiated and what greco we are doing here isn't being done like the rest of the world wrestles greco. There is a huge shortage of refs who even know what is being worked on the mat in front of them. They know how to score a match and mat protocols but they don't make kids wrestle proper greco so they don't learn proper greco. The foundation for greco in the US is very week and any improvements to it wont be fully realized for years.     

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Day two:

55kg:Carmona drops his Rd of 16 match against Lefter of Moldova, the Moldovan just lost in the semis and Carmona is eliminated.

66kg:Sancho wins his first match by fall against Austria and drops his Rd of 16 match against Turkey 2-0, Turkey just lost in the quarter finals and Sancho is eliminated.

84kg: Carlson drops his first match by TF 10-0 to Georgia, the Georgian won his next match, and the Georgian loses in the semis and Carlson is eliminated.

120kg: Coon wins his first match by fall over Czech Republic, second match won 8-5 over South Korea, and Fall over his Hungary opponent in the quarters. Coon is blitzed in the semis and will now wrestle for Bronze.

 

 

 

Adam Coon will be wrestling for Bronze today. Hopefully he can double up on medals this week.

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Day two:

55kg:Carmona drops his Rd of 16 match against Lefter of Moldova, the Moldovan just lost in the semis and Carmona is eliminated.

66kg:Sancho wins his first match by fall against Austria and drops his Rd of 16 match against Turkey 2-0, Turkey just lost in the quarter finals and Sancho is eliminated.

84kg: Carlson drops his first match by TF 10-0 to Georgia, the Georgian won his next match

120kg: Coon wins his first match by fall over Czech Republic, second match won 8-5 over South Korea, and Fall over his Hungary opponent in the quarters. Coon is blitzed in the semis and will now wrestle for Bronze.

tec87-did you watch the Coon semi match?  That guy was sick, looked 30lbs lighter and threw Coon around--great technique!

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tec87-did you watch the Coon semi match?  That guy was sick, looked 30lbs lighter and threw Coon around--great technique!

Yeah that was rough to watch. He's the returning Junior World Champ so he's pretty good. lol

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How uncommon is it for a Jr. level guy to make the team in both styles?

What is the precedent for winning two medals?

I'm enjoying following Coon's story. You gotta respect how determined he is. 

Tyrell Fortune was 7th in freestyle and 16th in greco at 96kg in 2009

 

I think he might be the only other one. I was just looking through rosters and some years freestyle and greco were held in seperate countries.

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A junior world medal is indeed a great accomplishment, but I have to agree with the assessment that as a nation one lone bronze is "not much."  I guess this sets a good beginning point to measure our improvement in years to come.

I posted this right after the cadet worlds in another thread.

 

In recent years, the Greco success hasn't really improved much but the freestyle success has been great in recent years and hopefully bodes well for the senior level in the future. Also, I didn't realize the US has had a strangle hold on 63kg in Cadet Freestyle in recent years.

 

Cadet Freestyle

2011: 1 Gold-Adam Coon 100kg, 1 Bronze-Sam Brooks 85kg

2012: 1 Gold-Zain Retherford 63kg

2013: 1 Gold-Aaron Pico 63kg

2014: 3 Golds-Spencer Lee 50kg, Mason Manville 63kg, Mark Hall 76kg, 1 Silver-Jordan Wood 100kg

 

Cadet Greco

2011: No Medals

2012: No Medals

2013: 2 Bronze-Cade Olivas 42kg, Jon Jay Chaves 69kg

2014: No medals

 

Junior Freestyle

2011: 1 Silver-Logan Stieber 60kg

2012: 1 Silver-Pat Downey 84kg

2013: 1 Gold-Kyle Snyder 96kg, 1 Silver-Alex Dieringer 74kg

2014: TBD

 

Junior Greco

2011: 2 Bronze-Ellis Coleman 66kg, Toby Erickson 120kg

2012: 1 Bronze-Jesse Thielke 60kg

2013: 1 Bronze-Sam Stoll 120kg

2014: 1 Bronze-Adam Coon 120kg

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A Jr. World Medal is quite a bit more than "not much" in my opinion. 

 

I was referring to the USA's team effort. A World's Bronze medal is significant to the individual, and can be to a country as well. However, I believe our expectations are much higher than a single medal. I believe we see ourselves competing with the top countries like Russia, and Azerbaijan, as well as others. Anyway there was no disrespect meant, and I hope that the USA Greco program views this medal and effort as a positive result and can help energize our wrestlers, and our program.

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