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http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/288164141.html

 

Weird title for this article.

 

"Principles keep U wrestling coach Robinson off money train"

 

Makes it sound like Robinson is somehow giving up money based on his principles. Actually, his principles say that other people (college athletes) shouldn't get money.

 

I won't comment further other than to say that invoking Martin Luther King, Jr. as part of your argument against paying college athletes is a bit of a reach for me.

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One thing these athletes are not thinking of, or at least not mentioning publicly, is the taxation issue. There is absolutely no way that politicians are not eventually going to declare all of this free stuff taxable income. What are they going to do when they get hit with a massive deferred tax bill on which they will be making payments for years?

 

Right now since the “income” is in the form of free tuition and not cash the government is staying out of the debate for political reasons but rest assured once cash is in the picture this will be declared income and all benefits will be taxable, especially that $100,000 in free tuition. Will they include the medical care? How about the tutoring? The list goes on and on. These kids just don’t realize what they are in for.

 

Sure that few hundred athletes who become pro every year will be able to cover the debt but the 95% who never had a shot at being pro will be paying on those taxes for decades.

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Also against, except for different reasons.  If schools start paying 85 football players, 15 BBallers alone, how many women's teams will be getting the same amount of money.  And then where will that money come from?  

this is my concern as well. where does this money come from? you think the AD or football coach or basketball coach is going to take a pay cut? they're spending the money in the budget as is, add in salaries...either they raise ticket prices, tuitions, or eliminate other sports  

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this is my concern as well. where does this money come from? you think the AD or football coach or basketball coach is going to take a pay cut? they're spending the money in the budget as is, add in salaries...either they raise ticket prices, tuitions, or eliminate other sports  

Bingo

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you can't raise ticket prices to cover costs, only in response to increased demand. 

 

money is going to come from the programs that can raise it, so the ones that already making lots of money and spending it on facilities and coaches, etc.

 

hard to see this ending well in the next decade or so. or at least transitioning smoothly. 

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Didn't realize we had a bunch of socialists on here.

Nearly every D1 school is subsidized by tax free private donations, direct public subsidies from tax dollars, and taxes levied on the academic student body via student fees. Not exactly the free-market there. In fact, it has been cited that the increase in subsidies in athletics has prevented the free-market from being viable. Why would a kid play in the UFL for $20k when their scholarship is worth $50k and they have better facility and coaches in college.

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Being able to go to college for free....no tuition, no room and board, no book fees and being able to graduate with a four year degree debt-free is good enough in my book. 

How many wrestlers get this kind of deal?

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From the article: "Football and basketball pay the bills for everyone else. Without their financial streams, nonrevenue sports couldn’t survive. That’s a crucial part of this discussion."  Once again this nonsense is asserted.

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..I'm actually for the athletes getting paid, although it wouldn't be for more than $500 a month tops. 

 

..let's face it, the NCAA is making billions of the kids, the coaches are being paid millions per year, and the schools advertisement packages are very lucrative. 

 

..I do see the pros and cons of the argument though. 

 

..slightly off topic, How could a school with a very wealthy sports program like Oregon only offer 7 men's sports? 

Edited by cjc007

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From the article: "Football and basketball pay the bills for everyone else. Without their financial streams, nonrevenue sports couldn’t survive. That’s a crucial part of this discussion."  Once again this nonsense is asserted.

You're right.

 

Minnesota athletics received $8,101,066.00 in direct subsidies from the university or state in 2012-2013 which were not generated via athletic department function or fundraising. And Minnesota is one of the least subsidized schools in the country...

Edited by Pinnum

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Also against, except for different reasons.  If schools start paying 85 football players, 15 BBallers alone, how many women's teams will be getting the same amount of money.  And then where will that money come from?  

 

Seems to me that is almost the same reason he is against it.  The money needs to come from somewhere, they can't cut women's sports thanks to Title IX so they will cut more wrestling or other "non-revenue" men's sports.

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Didn't realize we had a bunch of socialists on here.

I'm an educational socialist. 

Problem is Capitalism still drives education.

 

JRob nails it.  What has happened to College Football and College Basketball has made it even more difficult for Wrestling.

Who even knows the future of Football??  Big Money for sure but at what point do sensible mothers tell their sons not to go bang their heads to mush with multiple concussions in the name of American Pride?

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I won't comment further other than to say that invoking Martin Luther King, Jr. as part of your argument against paying college athletes is a bit of a reach for me.

I have no problem with JRob quoting Martin Luther King Jr. when it comes to principles.  Not sure where you are going there.

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NCAA could've made this really easy on themselves had they just allowed (scholarship) athletes to market themselves (i.e. get paid) in the outside world a long time ago.  Allows student-athletes to be treated like any other student on campus, and private money eliminates Title IX issues.  

 

Sure, some boosters would set up athletes with sham jobs.  Well, there are plenty of sham jobs out there in the real world, too, and many boosters would naturally start to pull back on this practice when they see limited return for their investment.

 

Yes, the rich could keep getting richer in this scenario, but the NCAA will find it preferable when the current system implodes.

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it has been cited that the increase in subsidies in athletics has prevented the free-market from being viable. Why would a kid play in the UFL for $20k when their scholarship is worth $50k and they have better facility and coaches in college.

this is a good point. the only way to "deprofessionalize" college sports is to give kids less. or else abandon the mission statements of the colleges and universities. 

 

i think the kids should be making money, i just dont see college as the place they should be making it. but getting the universities (leave the NCAA out of it, they are useless), to change all at once is an impossible task. basically everything is destined for horrible failure and the best thing to do is to make sure you have a good view to watch everything go down the toilet. 

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