silver-medal 670 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 --Everyone thought Dake was lucky to win as a frosh. --Everyone thought his weight was weak as a soph. --He usually won but didn't look impressive as a frosh/soph --His defense was really good All the same things are now being said about T-shirts. When he gets crushed in a fantasy matchup with Metcalf, we'll know he's the next Dake. 1 madcat11 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,311 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 If he beats Nolf from PSU every time? 1 madcat11 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildTurkey44 321 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 More like Kellen Russel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 820 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) well to truly be compared to Dake, it's all about the 4 year accomplishments. but strictly comparing freshman seasons: both NCAA champs: tie Dake was # 1 seed, Tshirts # 5. Advantage Dake Records (I think these are right) - Dake 34-2, Tshirts 32-3. Slight advantage Dake. run through NCAAs: Tshirts 4-1, 4-3, TB 2-1, TB 2-1, SV 3-1. Dake 4-1, Fall 3:48, 11-0, 3-2 TB, 7-3. Clearly a more dominant tourney run for Dake. total season dominance: of 32 wins tshirts had 12 bonus (6 majors, 3 TFs, 3 falls). .375 bonus rate out of 34 wins Dake had 14 bonus (5 majors, 2 TFs, and 7 falls) .412 bonus, not to mention more than 2x as many falls. edited a few times... Edited January 14, 2015 by KTG119 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,778 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 Dake was elite from all positions. Tsirtsis is not. Huge difference. Tsirtsis is no Dake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jstock 125 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 Would you say the conference that a wrestler is in will make a difference in dominance potential? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,953 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 Would you say the conference that a wrestler is in will make a difference in dominance potential? I would, but I still don't think T Shirts is anywhere near Dake. Live by the TB, die by the TB. Someone will get him pretty soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronChef 812 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 I think there are definite similarities. In both cases we have a wrestler with immense physical gifts and wrestling ability who, for some reason, often chooses to not use them except to do the bare minimum required to win. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 If one of the best wrestlers of all time moves into the weight above him, and tshirts doesn't care at all and moves into his weight and beats him every time they wrestle....almost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 by the way dake didn't redshirt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 820 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 Would you say the conference that a wrestler is in will make a difference in dominance potential? fair point, and also of note, in Tshirts' favor if you will....yeah tons of close matches at NCAAs, but 4 of his 5 opponents ended up on the podium. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigRedMachine 210 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) Did Dake just get his first ever fantasy win? I guess that proves Tsirtsis really is the new Dake. Edited January 15, 2015 by BigRedMachine 5 LordNelson, headshuck, madcat11 and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 by fall Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buck 65 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 I saw Dake lose all 4 times, so I'm pretty much an expert on how to beat him. Seeing him lose to Bucknell in the EIWA tournament was quite enjoyable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 If you were an expert you're posts would be more informative/interesting. PS no one cares. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 973 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 not Dake... a simple formula from a previous post that i made a few weeks back... Dake at weight 'X' won at weight 'X', and most likely could have defeated those in the weight classes immediately surrounding him, including super Studs Taylor and Howe. Tsirtsis has 1 title, albeit, as a freshman... and could he beat Logie-bear... not a chance... Dylan Ness? Nopers... In addition, he reminds me too much of D. Schlatter... Is the kid talented? you betcha... it's just WAY too early to crown him the next Dake... That'll be Spencer Lee or Mark Hall, depending if they even go to college... :-P 1 hammerlockthree reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 you were doing so well until you insisted on bring high schoolers into the discussion....... 1 treep2000 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redblades 322 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 I think there are definite similarities. In both cases we have a wrestler with immense physical gifts and wrestling ability who, for some reason, often chooses to not use them except to do the bare minimum required to win. Lets see... Kyle Dake, 137-4 career record, 83 bonus wins (more than half) 44 falls (almost 1/3). Yep. He was dogging it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 The thing about dake which makes him a constant underdog, is that he is better at winning than he is at wrestling. Nathan Tomasello is a contemporary example of a kid who is, at this moment, better at wrestling than he is at winning. 2 denger and madcat11 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silver-medal 670 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 They both have a knack for winning regardless of opponent. That's a lot to have in common. 2 hammerlockthree and madcat11 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davidmac84 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 Dake had 2 close matches in 4 years at the NCAAs: Reece Humphrey 2010 and David Taylor 2013- one match that went OT in 4 years. Freshman Year went 4-1, Fall, 11-0, 3-2 TB and 7-3 in the finals. Sophomore year combined score: 32-1. Jr Year 3 Falls. Sr Year: 29-0 combined score before meeting David Taylor. Dake was completely dominant wrestler that almost never had a close mat in the tournament basically the complete opposite of Tsiris. If Tsiris doesnt open up his offense- maybe one more title but he has no chance of coming close to matching Dake's record with his current style. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigerstyle4life 6 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 I think it is more relevant to compare J'den Cox to Dake..He is 58-2 midway through his TRUE sophmore season with 30 bonus point victories including 8 falls..would tsirtsis have won his true freshman season like Dake and Cox? Not with Jordan Oliver at 149 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 1,902 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 what were the ages of Dake, Cox and Tsirtsis when they won their freshman season championships? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigerfan9311 223 Report post Posted January 15, 2015 Cox turned 19 a couple weeks before he won it. Don't know about Dake or Tsirtsis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
