Andrew Howe in Finals!!

[Two_on_one 121]

I see that Andrew made the finals with a 5-2 win over Makoyev of Russia in the semis.  Can't find the results of his finals match. 

[wrestlingphish 1,034]

Lost 2-2. Sounds like some questionable officiating.

[armspin 257]

Well, hers wrestling a Russian in Russia...what were the controversial calls?

[wrestlingphish 1,034]

Apparently Howe wasn't awarded a takedown and everyone in the arena knew he had it. Went to review for a push out which he got to tie it up but lost on (stupid) criteria. This is all second-hand info from Twitter.

[Tech_fall15 1]

The fact you can lose 2-2 needs to change

[pipewrench 73]

The fact you can lose 2-2 needs to change

According the Foley, there is no need to change this.  Mat color is more important.

[GranbyTroll 454]

Mat color is the 2nd most important aspect of wrestling, followed by whether or not Greco exclusively should be shirtless. 

[gutfirst 220]

6 minutes to wrestle. every one who competes at that level knows they have 6 minutes to win a match.  that's it.

 

there was ot. most of the wrestling in ot was slow paced and conservative. fila had a great idea to the increase action... the over/under clinch. yes, let's see some throws. wrong. more boring wrestling trying to break someone's lock to win a bout. fila can fix that with new ideas... enter the leg clinch. yuk

 

let's learn from the past, boys. 6 minutes and then match is over.

Edited January 23, 2015 by gutfirst

[Jaroslav Hasek 2,067]

dont see the big deal with ending every match in 6 minutes. whether there is OT or not, every match that doesn't end in a pin will end in some sort of criteria. we're just so used to matches ending in points we don't consider it criteria, but it is. 

 

could the tie break rules be simpler and could they be displayed more prominently? sure probably. but all OT usually does is extend the length of the match until it ends in criteria anyway.

 

not getting a TD call is a different issue but im fine with no OT. especially for tournaments where the extra time on the mat adds up with multiple matches a day. and having OT is fine too but i really dont see it improving the quality of the match.

 

it also has nothing to do with mat color or uniforms. no need to conflate the issues. you can make improvements to multiple facets of the sport simultaneously. 

[NJDan 1,113]

With or without OT, it's ridiculous that you can "win" by a 2-2 score. If they cannot manage OT, they should award a point based on criteria and report the score as "3-2"  or "3-2, criteria".

[gimpeltf 2,085]

The NCAA does that in TB where you win by a few seconds rt as in 6-6 RT (TB-2)

[BigRedMachine 210]

If the concern about overtime is the length of time it would take up they should simply do this:

 

At the end of regulation, if the score is tied, add thirty seconds to the clock and call passivity against the wrestler who had been less aggressive throughout the entirety of the match. He has 30 seconds to score or he loses. It would only take an extra 30 seconds and would increase action throughout the match. boom! problem solved.

[IronChef 1,134]

According the Foley, there is no need to change this.  Mat color is more important.

I don't think Foley is transparent enough about the fact that he is employed by United World Wrestling.

[Two_on_one 121]

If the concern about overtime is the length of time it would take up they should simply do this:

 

At the end of regulation, if the score is tied, add thirty seconds to the clock and call passivity against the wrestler who had been less aggressive throughout the entirety of the match. He has 30 seconds to score or he loses. It would only take an extra 30 seconds and would increase action throughout the match. boom! problem solved.

 

I hate criteria too. It is hard to explain to the casual fan. They have improved that system by using the arrow to show who wins if the tie is not broken.  That is a big help on letting people know who is winning, especially in high scoring matches or matches that you have not seen the entire bout. 

 

The problem I see with your suggestion on passivity is as follows.  In Howe's finals match at Yarygin, if the ref has to determine who loses passivity call,  it is likely that Howe loses that call almost every time in Russia.  If the same match happened at the Schultz tournament, the Russian loses that passivity call almost every time.  Since most top level wrestlers can run for 30 seconds and not get scored on so you would effectively have the refs determining the outcome with the passivity call.