hammerlockthree 2,635 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 Is it just me or do Minnesota guys peak as freshmen or sophomores and then wait for people to graduate. The only glaring exception i know is Manuel Rivera. And this may be typical of D1 to some extent, but the Minny guys are super impressive as freshmen, and really don't improve from there. Or maybe I could restate it this way, They don't peak as seniors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,604 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) Injuries have played a part in the Schlatter, Reiter and Kish early high achievers. Jayson Ness and Zach Sanders finished at their highest. Konrad high. Nelson maybe even. How could you forget Safratowich? Are you giving up on this year's seniors already? 5 have a chance to peak. Edited January 28, 2015 by headshuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigRedMachine 210 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 Fun Fact: Dylan Ness lost to, current Cornell backup, Craig Eifert as a freshman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigerfan9311 223 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 JRob is truly one of our sport's legends. Yet, the evidence certainly seems to indicate that he runs a damn tough training program, that has resulted in a LOT of career-hampering injuries. Are Minny's injury woes ultimately JRob's responsibility? Who knows? Regardless, I think almost every other D1 program would gladly take Minny's problems/results over the last 15 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,635 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 Injuries have played a part in the Schlatter, Reiter and Kish early high achievers. Jayson Ness and Zach Sanders finished at their highest. Konrad high. Nelson maybe even. How could you forget Safratowich? Are you giving up on this year's seniors already? 5 have a chance to peak. Loved Safratowich. I'm really not grinding an axe, but it is certainly a morbid curiosity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,604 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) 165 has been a bright spot. Safratowich, Yohn and Zilverberg finally got their AA status as seniors. And I'm forgetting the 165 before Saf who started the roll. Edited January 28, 2015 by headshuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoldenGofer 10 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 Matt Nagel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cyclones 29 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 I sortof think that J-Rob doesnt get as much credit for all of the titles that Iowa won with Gable. When Gable would piss people off by something he did or said, it was always J-rob who smoothed things over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,635 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 Yeah you're right he doesn't get as much credit for gables titles as gable does......Messed up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunatcifringe 2 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 As a minnesota fan I really blame it on the style of wrestling. Certain guys wrestle well in the style and others no so much, they almost need to recruit farm boy types like brett Pfarr and kevin Steinhaus and not the flashy types like the schlatters, reiters. Guys that are grinder tough guys, I guess like the iowa style wrestlers. There is a reason you see guys like nick moore, derek at john, Ethan lofthouse peak themselves earlier in their careers as well. They aren't the Proto type iowa style guys like a Daniel Dennis, Brent metcalf, brands, Steiner types of guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cyclones 29 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) I'm not saying that Gable doesn't deserve credit. He does. Its a feat that will never be equaled again. I'm just saying that you never hear JRobs name mentioned, and he was an assistant at Iowa for 8 of the "glory" years, from 76-84, just when Gable was getting things started and I think that he was a bigger part of it than people know. Edited January 28, 2015 by Cyclones Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoldenGofer 10 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 Ness - Ranked 1, 2, 4, 2 CD- Ranked 1, DNP, 6, 4 ND, Ranked 4, DNP, 7, DNP Nelson, 2, 1, 1, 7 J. Ness - 1, 3, 2, 5 C. Yohn - 7, DNP, DNP, DNP S. Yohn - 5, 8, 8, DNP Konrad - 1, 1, 2, 4 Hahn - 1, 1, 5, 5 There are also guys like ZIlverberg, C. Yohn, Saf, etc who AA'd their senior years. I'm sure there are others as well but this was just a quick check of the old memory banks. These are just a few recent examples. Now there are guys like Reiter, Kish, Schlatter, etc. who got injured later in their careers but I think saying they peak early is just silly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,009 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 Yeah, I would say Lesnar, Hahn and Konrad looked pretty damn good as Seniors. Most recently, Ness and C. Dardanes look sharp as ever. Both Dardanes actually look reinvigorated(which is hard to believe due to having to cut more weight) and are poised to have their best AA finishes of their respective careers. In fact, I would say most "peaking" issues Minnesota has had stems mainly from injury. Every team has it's HEW victims, but I don't see Minnesota having significantly more than any other top program. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,604 Report post Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Peakaboo Edited February 10, 2015 by headshuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,635 Report post Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) my bad back to the IOWA/PSU peaking topic. Edited February 10, 2015 by hammerlockthree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stp 564 Report post Posted February 10, 2015 Are Minny's injury woes ultimately JRob's responsibility? Since he is the head coach, yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongShot 13 Report post Posted February 10, 2015 To Minnesota's credit they wrestle in everything including a brutal B10 schedule. They skipped the scuffle for Hawaii this year and who can blame them? Maybe that's JRob attempting to deal with this issue. Rob Koll recently said in an interview that the season is too long and I don't think many would disagree with him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WillieBoy 713 Report post Posted February 10, 2015 Cyclones says "it is a feat that will never be equaled again". Who 'equaled' what Dan Gable has done? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jammen 339 Report post Posted February 10, 2015 Shelton Benjamin--------- 5, 3 Brett Colombini-------------6, 4 Chad Erickson--------------8,7 Brad Gibson-----------------6,3 Damion Hahn----------------5,5,1,1 Tim Harrris-------------------8,6 Tim Hartung------------------3,1,1 Cole Konrad------------------4,2,1,1 Jared Lawrence--------------6,6,1,2 Brock Lesnar------------------2,1 Bobby Lowe--------------------8,7 Mike McArthur------------------3,2 Marty Morgan-------------------6,2,1 Tony Nelson----------------------7,1,1,2 Jayson Ness----------------------5,2,3,1 Brad Pike--------------------------7,4 Zach Sanders---------------------6,5,5,3 Scott Schiller----------------------5,3 Kevin Steinhaus-------------------8,5,5 Logan Storley----------------------6,4,3 David Thorn-------------------------7,5 Mike Thorn---------------------------7,3 Leroy Vega---------------------------5,5,3 Jacob Volkmann---------------------4,3,4 Sonny Yohn---------------------------8,7,5 What was the question? 1 jtothep reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carp 58 Report post Posted February 10, 2015 Shelton Benjamin--------- 5, 3 Brett Colombini-------------6, 4 Chad Erickson--------------8,7 Brad Gibson-----------------6,3 Damion Hahn----------------5,5,1,1 Tim Harrris-------------------8,6 Tim Hartung------------------3,1,1 Cole Konrad------------------4,2,1,1 Jared Lawrence--------------6,6,1,2 Brock Lesnar------------------2,1 Bobby Lowe--------------------8,7 Mike McArthur------------------3,2 Marty Morgan-------------------6,2,1 Tony Nelson----------------------7,1,1,2 Jayson Ness----------------------5,2,3,1 Brad Pike--------------------------7,4 Zach Sanders---------------------6,5,5,3 Scott Schiller----------------------5,3 Kevin Steinhaus-------------------8,5,5 Logan Storley----------------------6,4,3 David Thorn-------------------------7,5 Mike Thorn---------------------------7,3 Leroy Vega---------------------------5,5,3 Jacob Volkmann---------------------4,3,4 Sonny Yohn---------------------------8,7,5 What was the question? Confusing people with facts. But that's the way some of us roll these days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 4,016 Report post Posted February 10, 2015 I think people some times get caught up in the anecdotal stuff. Minny is no better or worse than other teams in this area, IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,635 Report post Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Shelton Benjamin--------- 5, 3 Brett Colombini-------------6, 4 Chad Erickson--------------8,7 Brad Gibson-----------------6,3 Damion Hahn----------------5,5,1,1 Tim Harrris-------------------8,6 Tim Hartung------------------3,1,1 Cole Konrad------------------4,2,1,1 Jared Lawrence--------------6,6,1,2 Brock Lesnar------------------2,1 Bobby Lowe--------------------8,7 Mike McArthur------------------3,2 Marty Morgan-------------------6,2,1 Tony Nelson----------------------7,1,1,2 Jayson Ness----------------------5,2,3,1 Brad Pike--------------------------7,4 Zach Sanders---------------------6,5,5,3 Scott Schiller----------------------5,3 Kevin Steinhaus-------------------8,5,5 Logan Storley----------------------6,4,3 David Thorn-------------------------7,5 Mike Thorn---------------------------7,3 Leroy Vega---------------------------5,5,3 Jacob Volkmann---------------------4,3,4 Sonny Yohn---------------------------8,7,5 What was the question? I'm not certain of my premise but, listing a bunch of all american finishes and acting as if i said they don't produce good wrestlers isn't relevant. If someone took Iowa AA's from this time period, and calculated the average improvement in NCAA placement per year, and it was the same as Minny they would have point. When I look at this I see a lot of guys (Sanders, Yohn, vega steinhaus, volkman) who I could reasonably claim stopped improving early and crept up the podium as a result of wrestlers graduating. Maybe this opinion is just some prejudice i developed but most of the responses to it at this point are coming from people who don't even understand what I am saying. Edited February 10, 2015 by hammerlockthree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 2,050 Report post Posted February 10, 2015 sounds like a semantic quarrel imo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,635 Report post Posted February 10, 2015 Well first you need to find some semantics so I can run some tests on them and see if they even exist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 2,050 Report post Posted February 10, 2015 i know a semantic quarrel when i see one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
