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I just posted something on Tour ACW coming back again this spring and it struck me to think that there are so many different American "leagues" with different rule sets with the post-grad wrestler in mind. Here are a few with their rules:

 

http://touracw.com/TourACW-Official-Rule-Book-V1.0.pdf

 

http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/251790-2014-Whos-1-Dual-Event/article/28370-Flo-Premier-League-Rules-Release#.VND50kKFbFI

 

http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2014/November/21/Update-on-the-Global-Wrestling-Championships

 

http://www.agonwc.com - I forgot about these guys.

 

Why is all of this necessary? What's in the best interest of the athletes who are vying for a spot with Team USA? Why not simply combine forces and offer winnings in the format of a Freestyle and Greco tournament? Thoughts?

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Germany and Iran have great pro leagues and allow a limited number of foreign wrestlers.  You could take existing clubs (Hawkeye, NYAC, Cliff Keen, Sunkist, Minnesota Storm, etc.) and set up home and home dual meets and a final tournament.  Would be cool.

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They [robably don't want to compete with the current freestyle system (speculation) and tweak the rules the way they wish it had been all along.   Personally, more wrestling is a good thing.   I hope more leagues pop up and throw their hat into the ring of high stakes, post collegiate wrestling.  

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I like any event that puts $$$ into the hands of those training full time freestyle (or greco).  With that said, the only one of these matches that I've ever had interest in seeing is the Pico vs Metcalf one that is coming up. 

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I agree. So many other athletes make huge money. Nice to see more and more opportunities for our wrestlers to make money. Hope some of these leagues/ideas become financially solvent, and really hope our wrestlers prosper financially. They deserve it.

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It's funny you say that. I was there, and when I went to my seat at MSG, my high school coach was sitting right there. Talk about a needle in a haystack. Needless to say, I sat with him and had just a wonderful time. Really, priceless.

 

But yeah, back to Dake-Julfakalyan & Tervel-Gatsalov card, wonder how the pay per view did? Hopefully it did well.

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A 'good" American wrestler, can earn between 1500 and 2000 Euros per match in the Bundesliga. Possibly more Less 10 percent agent's fee.

That's good money.  Unless things have changed, the clubs can offer housing and meal stipends as well.  Not a bad living for a young guy looking to keep afloat financially while training full-time.

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When I competed in Sweden our club used to dual against other clubs in a league.  We did one round of greco first and then freestyle second; some guys wrestled both matches, but sometimes a "freestyle specialist" would take the second bout.  Of course, they preferred greco way more than freestyle.  We then had three league standings:  greco, freestyle, and combined.  Loved the format--lots of fun.

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There's a good amount of success for such leagues in Iran (national sport) and Germany (nowhere near the fame of soccer), so why aren't our guys backing these American leagues looking to them to see why Bundesliga and others are having long-term success?

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There's a good amount of success for such leagues in Iran (national sport) and Germany (nowhere near the fame of soccer), so why aren't our guys backing these American leagues looking to them to see why Bundesliga and others are having long-term success?

how much money do those leagues generated. they could be heavily subsidized, unprofitable ventures, much like NCAA wrestling. 

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how much money do those leagues generated. they could be heavily subsidized, unprofitable ventures, much like NCAA wrestling. 

 

Great point and I have no idea. I would think Iran doesn't need to subsidize their league, but what do I know? I've always thought that Bundesliga is subsidized, much like NCAA wrestling, by soccer monies, but I don't know that to be true either.

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how much money do those leagues generated. they could be heavily subsidized, unprofitable ventures, much like NCAA wrestling.

Some of you that follow European soccer may know that the professional teams started out of sports clubs. Since there is not a culture ofschool sponsored sports in Europe, there have always been sports clubs where kids and adults go to compete. The nearest thing we have in the states would likely be the YMCA. But really, you should think of them more like the NYAC in their sponsoring of elite athletes. Many of them got competitive and people would come to watch them and they built community support so they started to pay athletes to come play for them. Some of you may have heard of the powerful AC Milan soccer team in Italy but they were started as the Milan Cricket and Football Club. This is why they have a culture of youth academies where they develop their future professional players from within the club system.

 

There are still many clubs that sponsor many sports. Most notably, in Germany, would be SV Wacker which in addition to an elite professional soccer team, they have 6,000 members in the club and sponsor a bunch of sports including a wrestling team in the German League. http://www.typo.sv-wacker.de/

 

As a result of this structure, many professional basketball teams in Europe (often featuring former American NCAA stars) play in facilities that often resemble those of YMCAs in the states. For instance, here is one of the teams from the top Dutch Professional League. http://www.podium.tv/images/content/aris-leiden.jpg

 

It is important to note that the European system is very different than that in the states. For instance, since the leagues are organized on a national level, it is common to have world powers in the same league with minor league type teams. In the Italian Series A Soccer League, for example, AC Milan and Inter Milan sellout their 80,000 seat stadiums while fellow league members Cagliari Calcio often attracts less than 10,000 to their home games. Really, it would be best to think of it as if Major League Baseball were State Leagues where you would have a New York league where the Yankees and Mets were in the same league with the Buffalo Bisons, Rochester Redwings, Syracuse Cheifs, and the Auburn Doubledays.

 

This is a look at one of the wrestling teams home duals in the German league. http://www.ksv-aalen.de/img/02_main/02_fight.jpg

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Pretty cool, 15 mats. Don't know the exact attendance, but the Grapple at the Garden had a similar, if not bigger crowd at Madison Square Garden this past December. (Still wondering how well the Global pay per view did. Just really curious to see where we are on this.)

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I added AGON once I saw the post about Ramos and Cejudo. They also have Shawn Bunch battling Stephen Abas next month in California.

 

So now you have four leagues with four rule sets outside of NCAA and UWW rules. A financial focus in one league would make more sense... until egos become involved.

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I think TourACW fits an entirely different niche than the others. Just look at the venues TourACW is taking place in, as opposed to the other three aforementioned promotions. (I'm entirely hesitant to call any of them "leagues".)

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