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Delgado's #1 ranking and title chances

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I've had the chance to watch a few of his matches since his return, and it's hard to justify his top ranking and placement anywhere on Flo's Pound for Pound list. He is not wrestling at the level of a national champion. Injuries stink, and it's a shame he has to deal with it, but it has to be considered when assessing him this season. He really just stands there and waits to counter. This is really striking in his match against Wisconsin. If you have BTN Plus, I suggest you go watch it. Both guys spend a lot of time staring at each other doing nothing.

 

I guess the question is this: Is he just shaking off the rust or is he too compromised to win a third title or even potentially get on the podium?

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I actually really enjoy CP's pound for pound rankings and his individual ones. It seems like CP usually goes with a I'm having him here unless he gives me a reason to move him (which obviously would be a loss) My guess is with Delgado having 2 NC's it is more of a respect/grandfathered in thing. At the end of the day, rankings don't win championships, performing on the mat do. It will all work itself out in the end.

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Probably stays there in the p4p until he takes a loss. I was surprised CP at Flo dropped him from #1 at the weight before he took a loss.  If the reasoning is how he has looked since returning then why make him # 2?  If you don't think he's looked like the #1, does he look like the #2 guy?

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If Delgado's injury is going to make him a shell of himself for the rest of the season, that gives Iowa and Ohio State a leg up on Minnesota come tournament time.  I don't think either Gilman or Tomasello would beat healthy Delgado, but if he's really donezo, that bumps both guys prospects, and thus team points, up a bit.

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If all the favorites win this weekend, I believe the next round will look like this

 

Iowa vs Oklahoma or Chattanooga

Missouri vs Illinois (125 Delgado vs Waters)

Ohio State vs Lehigh

Minn vs Cornell

 

Then

Iowa vs Ok/Chat winner vs Minn/Cornell winner

Missouri/Illinois winner vs Ohio State/Lehigh winner

 

So Delgado could get Waters, Tomassello and Gilman all in a row on February 21-22 if Illinois upsets Missouri and the favored teams win their matches, then 2 weeks to big 10(14) and 4 weeks to NCAA. 

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If all the favorites win this weekend, I believe the next round will look like this

 

Iowa vs Oklahoma or Chattanooga

Missouri vs Illinois (125 Delgado vs Waters)

Ohio State vs Lehigh

Minn vs Cornell

 

Then

Iowa vs Ok/Chat winner vs Minn/Cornell winner

Missouri/Illinois winner vs Ohio State/Lehigh winner

 

So Delgado could get Waters, Tomassello and Gilman all in a row on February 21-22 if Illinois upsets Missouri and the favored teams win their matches, then 2 weeks to big 10(14) and 4 weeks to NCAA. 

I would be surprised if they wrestled him against any of those guys in a dual. My bet is they will wait to the very last second to have him hit one of those guys. We'll see.

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Ok watched the Wisconsin match a few times and yeah he isn't fully back but then who expected him to be. He was never in any trouble in the match and was close to getting a few more take downs. So if he had won 8-0 would we still be having this conversation or what if he teched or pinned Jimenez. Lets take a look at Jimenez, yeah he has a losing record but look at the loses. Two loses were to Josh Rodriquez 9-6 and 4-3 (TB1), Lambert beat him 5-0 and McCabe beat him 2-1. Jimenez is a 4 time Illinois state champ and Fargo All American so it's not like he is a total fish. Yeah it's obvious Delgado is injured (the big brace on his shoulder should be a clue). Before we start burying Delgado why don't we wait and see what he does when he wrestles some one who will actually wrestle him to win. So far his three matches back he did just enough to win while his opponents pretty much did nothing to win. 

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Here's my bet: Jesse will repeat this year and become Illinois first 3x NCAA champ, as well as the first 3xer @ 125 since Stephen Abas (pretty elite company)

 

Why?  Because despite his low scoring matches so far this year, with the departure of Mcdonough and the redshirt of Megaludis, no one currently at 125 has EVER taken Jesse down.  He's 9-0 in total takedowns against Nahshon, he easily beat Waters both times they've wrestled, and Gilman got 2 backpoints to beat him at Midlands.  And anyone who's been following this kid knows he has a history of losses around xmas time --- in fact, Delgado has never won the midlands.  He lost to Garnett two years ago (maybe as a freshman too?), and he lost to GIlman last year.  Additionally, Clark smoked him (6-1?) around xmas two years ago, and that ended up 10-5 in Jesse's favor in last years NCAA 1/4's.  

 

We'll see when he wrestles Waters this weekend, but I'm taking Delgado, and I'm going to go as far as to say as he doesn't lose again in college.  

 

Not to mention, the kids a winner, I just wish someone would get off there knee to actually wrestle him.  At least Megaludis did that.  Nahshon tried, but the only time he stood up in the finals Jesse took him down.

 

Plus, he sounds pretty confident in the video FLO just released.  

 

http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/252114-Illinois-Visit/video/760045-Im-Wrestling-To-Meet-My-Own-Expectations

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Here's my bet: Jesse will repeat this year and become Illinois first 3x NCAA champ, as well as the first 3xer @ 125 since Stephen Abas (pretty elite company)

 

Why?  Because despite his low scoring matches so far this year, with the departure of Mcdonough and the redshirt of Megaludis, no one currently at 125 has EVER taken Jesse down.  He's 9-0 in total takedowns against Nahshon, he easily beat Waters both times they've wrestled, and Gilman got 2 backpoints to beat him at Midlands.  And anyone who's been following this kid knows he has a history of losses around xmas time --- in fact, Delgado has never won the midlands.  He lost to Garnett two years ago (maybe as a freshman too?), and he lost to GIlman last year.  Additionally, Clark smoked him (6-1?) around xmas two years ago, and that ended up 10-5 in Jesse's favor in last years NCAA 1/4's.  

 

We'll see when he wrestles Waters this weekend, but I'm taking Delgado, and I'm going to go as far as to say as he doesn't lose again in college.  

 

Not to mention, the kids a winner, I just wish someone would get off there knee to actually wrestle him.  At least Megaludis did that.  Nahshon tried, but the only time he stood up in the finals Jesse took him down.

 

Plus, he sounds pretty confident in the video FLO just released.  

 

http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/252114-Illinois-Visit/video/760045-Im-Wrestling-To-Meet-My-Own-Expectations

Everything you wrote makes perfect sense....if he is at close to 100% health. He's obviously not anywhere near 100% and is wrestling accordingly. Your predictions are based on the Delgado of last season, but that guy hasn't been on the mat this year.

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Actually, I think snyderman's point applies well to how Delgado is currently wrestling.  He hasn't been lighting up the scoreboard, but he STILL hasn't been close to being taken down.  Waters isn't exactly a takedown specialist.  How the referees call stalling will play a huge part in how Delgado does at the NCAA tournament.  He will still be ridiculously hard to score on, he just may be more susceptible to stall calls if he doesn't generate more offensive attacks.

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Actually, I think snyderman's point applies well to how Delgado is currently wrestling. He hasn't been lighting up the scoreboard, but he STILL hasn't been close to being taken down.

But he hasn't wrestled anyone of note either. The drop-off in TD ability at 126 after the top 5 or 6 guys is huge.

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I don't have much of a (big) problem with Delgado. The guy is indeed a winner. After all, I am an Illinois boy. Did much of my wrestling in the Land of Lincoln. And have seen ohh maybe 20 to 25 of his bouts.

 

That said, he will often bore me to tears. On his feet…I'm thinking ca'mon set up something. Initiate something…please.

 

It has been mentioned here that Delgado bends over a little…in the middle of the mat……*elbow/forearm draped on his knee. Waiting for the (usually) unfortunate suspects who will fire off a single -or- a double leg. Delgado often lands on his 'butt--thing is' he has opponents ankle well in (his) hand. Or hands. The "funky funky broadway" ensues. Ref either puts them back up on their feet. Or, Delgado typically gets the 2 off the scramble.

 

Some of us just love the funk n' scramble. Me? Not so much. I do wish Jesse well. It would be way cool should he go 3 Xer. 

 

 

* Elbow/forearm on his knee is actually the manner in which he has always rolled……..pretty much.

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