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http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/WR15.pdf

 

 

5.6 Flagrant Misconduct 5.6.1 Prematch, Match or Postmatch Period. During the prematch, match or postmatch period, flagrant misconduct committed by either wrestler, such as intentionally striking an opponent, deliberately attempting to injure an opponent, or any act serious enough to disqualify a wrestler from an event, shall be penalized by the deduction of one team point, disqualification of that contestant, removal from the premises, declaration of the opponent as the winner and the award of six points to the opponent’s team. ....

 

 

Someone watch what Gilman did and honestly say that he was not intending to intentionally injure Waters.  There is no other reason than to do what he did.  It would be a stupid move to do otherwise --- Waters just needs to shift a bit and Gilman is on his back.  When down on mat and bottom guy has leg in on him, bottom does not rollover to lay on his back willingly. 

 

It was an intentional effort to harm.    Akin to squarely hammer fisting your opponent in the face in an 'attempt to get him to release your leg'.    

 

Letting this kind of stuff go is harmful to the sport.  There should be more severe consequences than just giving a point to an opponent you are already losing to.  

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Even if the backward slam was not Flagrant misconduct, the dive on Waters legs by Gilman, when time was clearly out is a second unsportsmanlike. It might not be automatic DQ, but I have never seen it not result in DQ. Not sure if in college it keeps one from the next event. (In HS it does)

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Vak, you're wrong.  Just because there's a separate rule for slams does not mean you can't call flagrant misconduct when one occurs.

 

It can. Can you show me an incident where the other wrestler wasn't injured that it resulted in a DQ? It is ALWAYS called the way it was called today. Always.

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Even if the backward slam was not Flagrant misconduct, the dive on Waters legs by Gilman, when time was clearly out is a second unsportsmanlike. It might not be automatic DQ, but I have never seen it not result in DQ. Not sure if in college it keeps one from the next event. (In HS it does)

 

Here's the NCAA rule regarding that issue:

 

"A wrestler disqualified for committing an act of flagrant misconduct shall be suspended from competing until after the team’s subsequent event. If flagrant misconduct occurs during the last event of the season, the suspension carries over to the first event of the next season."
 
So, if the ref had called it, Gilman would have been ineligible for the B1G tourney.

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Even if the backward slam was not Flagrant misconduct, the dive on Waters legs by Gilman, when time was clearly out is a second unsportsmanlike. It might not be automatic DQ, but I have never seen it not result in DQ. Not sure if in college it keeps one from the next event. (In HS it does)

 

Unsportsmanlike/Unneccessary Roughness calls DURING a match are just part of the regular 1-1-2 penalty point sequence.

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Seems like Vak agrees that it was flagrant misconduct but since Waters was able to continue wrestling, no DQ.

 

Fair stance to take if that is how it is always called.   I can't come up with an example to counter Vak.  So I'll concede this point.  I don't think this should be the way it is though .... if it is, then the NCAA should consider itself at severe risk of negligent conduct.  It should not be whether the person can continue wrestling that identifies flagrant misconduct.  

 

 

 

But I also agree that Gilman's attack on Water's legs after the whistle (and he clearly knew it) should have been at least another point. 

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Cry a little more it is not going to change the call let it go.

 

No.  This, much like allowing Flores to keep wrestling at NCAAs, is a severe dereliction of duty on the part of the refs.  Needs to be pointed out and shined a light on. The ref's number one priority should be the safety of the wrestlers.  This ref failed in his job.

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Then should have Waters been ejected for flagrant misconduct for deliberately running into the Iowa wrestler after the match? Running into someone is striking them after all.

 

5.6 Flagrant Misconduct 5.6.1 Prematch, Match or Postmatch Period. During the prematch, match or postmatch period, flagrant misconduct committed by either wrestler, such as intentionally striking an opponent

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scribe, are you kidding? Gilman double-legged Waters five seconds after the whistle, with Waters' back to Gilman. Should have been a flagrant, IMO. Surprised Tim Shiels didn't say "Bye, Felicia, you're suspended for Big Ten's, see you next November".

 

scribe, are you kidding? Gilman double-legged Waters five seconds after the whistle, with Waters' back to Gilman. Should have been a flagrant, IMO. Surprised Tim Shiels didn't say "Bye, Felicia, you're suspended for Big Ten's, see you next November".

Still trying to figure out the scoring sequence. The announcers and Shane Sparks couldn't explain it in any fashion that made sense.

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We have plenty of psychology, family counseling professionals on this board. Could this be classified as an anger management problem for the Iowa wrestler? Maybe some Couch time would be of benefit? Not trying to start anything here.

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scribe, are you kidding? Gilman double-legged Waters five seconds after the whistle, with Waters' back to Gilman. Should have been a flagrant, IMO. Surprised Tim Shiels didn't say "Bye, Felicia, you're suspended for Big Ten's, see you next November".

Gilman grabbing his legs was in responce to waters elbow to the back of the head.  The elbow is where the point to Gilman came from.

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scribe, are you kidding? Gilman double-legged Waters five seconds after the whistle, with Waters' back to Gilman. Should have been a flagrant, IMO. Surprised Tim Shiels didn't say "Bye, Felicia, you're suspended for Big Ten's, see you next November".

 

 

That would have been warranted. Gilman tried a move that is flagrant and could reasoably be expected to injure Waters imo. 

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