GockeS 549 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 I wanted to be a fan of Mizzou! How can you not, watching them wrestle. What a display. But I was torn after watching some of Water's antics. Being from Nebraska I know some of Gilman's antics and discounted them until his Iowa years confirmed his normal disposition. HOWEVER, his actions at the dual were not poor until after MUCH provocation. Does Waters have a hearing problem? he wrestled after the whistle several times. He pushed Gilman on the head getting up at least once. I thought at first that Water's was trying to use Gilman's reputation to get him to do something stupid...and the ref's would know it and penalize gilman... (good strategy, perhaps) but... Gilman kept his cool for most of the match despite these things. The slam, yes, Gilman finally lost his cool. even tho the ref's misread it and called waters for it. Then, sitting on the mat, water's rabbit punches(several seconds AFTER the slam) him AGAIN and gilman retaliates. which is what everyone sees, (water's capitalizing on Gilman's rep) Then, in the hall, my theory of using gilman's rep against him falls apart as I watch water's drastically change directions to smash into an Iowa wrestler. yes, the Iowa guy was half blocking the path...but waters initiated the contact. I haven't watched waters enuff to know if he normally is this much of a thug (unneccessary contact, extra wrestling, intimidation)... he isn't from Iowa, so you wouldn't normally hear about it. but i think many more will be watching now... I still think Gilman is a thug, but i think many have missed thugish behavior that is being shielded b/c of a reputation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mlbruem 141 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 Waters let Iowa know that this was going to be a war. He set the tone. He was a leader on a mission to send a message. The message was delivered to the Hawks by a hungry Tiger. 18 to 12 Tigers! Great Job Alan! 2 gallison and tigerfan9311 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigerfan9311 223 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 Waters is no thug. He clearly has no love for Iowa or their fans and dialed up his intensity in order to head Gilman off at the pass, so to speak. Maybe he overcompensated, but watch the Delgado match. There was no funny business at all. Iowa brings out this behavior in their opponents. Reap what you sow. 2 Coach_J and silver-medal reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redblades 322 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) GockeS, RE: Waters colliding with the Iowa wrestler as he was returning to the locker room - An Iowa wrestler did EXACTLY the same thing to Palacio during the Cornell Iowa match. (Palacio to his credit just threw up his hands and said "Hey, Dude, I'm done wrestling for today! Peace!") It sure looks to me, though, that Iowa initiates the intimidation tactics, so Iowa can't really complain then when the other guy give back the same! Edited February 23, 2015 by redblades Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alwayswrestling 227 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 Waters was not a Angel in this meet he did a lot of little bush league moves/actions the entire match not sure if this was a one time thing with him or not. It is what it is and IMO really does not justify what Gilman did a very bush league move which he was penalized for to me end of discussion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TFBJR 471 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 False equivalency. No way does any pushing or shoving belong in the same conversation as an intentional slam unless you are an Iowa apologist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 549 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 not an iowa apologist. just wondering if what waters did in the match was the usual. as i said i have not seen him wrestle that much. I really did enjoy watching him and the other tigers get after it. if this is the way they always wrestle: awesome! i love it. good to hear from the other replies that this is not waters normal attack mode with extracurriculars... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudge_tunnel 118 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 just wondering if what waters did in the match was the usual. Not at all. I guess being in that environment brings out the worst in people. I imagine if you put Evans on say Cornell, Utah Valley St, or even Mizzou, he would be an affable, easy-going and approachable human Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coach_J 2,188 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 Um, shoving after the whistle, pushing off a guy's head while getting up, etc., are all old-school Iowa tactics. Doing this kind of crap showed how "intense" and "tough" they were and fans ate it up. Why so upset that someone did it to one of their guys? 1 KingK0ng reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudge_tunnel 118 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 Um, shoving after the whistle, pushing off a guy's head while getting up, etc., are all old-school Iowa tactics. Doing this kind of crap showed how "intense" and "tough" they were and fans ate it up. Why so upset that someone did it to one of their guys? Clark did it to Synon at the end of their match (fist, then elbow in the back of the neck) and the Iowa faithful/toothless ate it up with delectation.. 2 gromit and Coach_J reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildTurkey44 321 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 Mike is an approachable easy going human. Have you ever met him? That environment brings out the best in people. 23 NCAA tiles 34 Big ten titles.. So Waters was a douche in this match only because he was wrestling Iowa? I guess that gives him a pass then Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildTurkey44 321 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 Clarks opponent should have had 6 stall calls against him. He turtled up and Clark let him know it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudge_tunnel 118 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 So Waters was a douche in this match only because he was wrestling Iowa? While in the land of douches... 1 armspin reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OkieChippewa 32 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 Um, shoving after the whistle, pushing off a guy's head while getting up, etc., are all old-school Iowa tactics. Doing this kind of crap showed how "intense" and "tough" they were and fans ate it up. Why so upset that someone did it to one of their guys? Pot meet kettle. Iowa is famous for this. Their fans view it as gamesmanship; others see it as unsportsmanship. Regardless, it has resulted in the Hawkeyes currently being college wrestling's version of professional wrestling entertainment's VILLIANS. And both sides eat it up. Just wait until St. Louis! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coach_J 2,188 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 Pot meet kettle. Iowa is famous for this. Their fans view it as gamesmanship; others see it as unsportsmanship. Regardless, it has resulted in the Hawkeyes currently being college wrestling's version of professional wrestling entertainment's VILLIANS. And both sides eat it up. Just wait until St. Louis! It appears it's only "gamesmanship" when their guys do it. Agree, though, makes March more interesting. The flying backarch, though, is not gamesmanship; a guy could have his season ended by it. Just not cool and should not be tolerated (let alone penalizing the guy who got hammered). JMHO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thefatman 34 Report post Posted February 24, 2015 1 greco_gilligan reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greco_gilligan 62 Report post Posted February 24, 2015 Nice pin ball action on the bump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudge_tunnel 118 Report post Posted February 24, 2015 After watching that GIF a couple of times, I'm reminded of the various posters on here who basically claimed that Waters maliciously shoved said Iowa backup with lethal force nearly to the ground, almost killing him... 2 GockeS and gallison reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,429 Report post Posted February 24, 2015 Mike is an approachable easy going human. Have you ever met him? That environment brings out the best in people. 23 NCAA tiles 34 Big ten titles.. So Waters was a douche in this match only because he was wrestling Iowa? I guess that gives him a pass then To be fair, Gilman came off as a much bigger douche to pretty much anyone not an Iowa fan. Sorry to break it to you - kid is a punk. I've never really cheered for someone losing before but I'll admit I get some satisfaction out of seeing Gilman go down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,601 Report post Posted February 24, 2015 The whole arena was stacked against Waters and Missou. Iowa play f'ing games like this all the time. Now they cry when someone returns the favor. 1 KCMO2 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,429 Report post Posted February 24, 2015 After watching that GIF a couple of times, I'm reminded of the various posters on here who basically claimed that Waters maliciously shoved said Iowa backup with lethal force nearly to the ground, almost killing him... I saw that. Can't believe Waters tried bullying someone so badly. Except the kid saw him coming, knew he was in the way and still stood there. Same antics that happened against Cornell - certainly makes you wonder.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thefatman 34 Report post Posted February 24, 2015 Iowa/Cornell http://i.imgur.com/hXCCFK8.gifv 1 Coach_J reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 549 Report post Posted February 24, 2015 i hadn't seen that cornell video! interesting. that isn't quite what happened with waters...but it sure makes clear waters actions 1 gallison reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerbufoon 40 Report post Posted February 24, 2015 wow Iowa sucks in every way. their fans are so whiny, yelling for stalling although the iowa wrestler is the one not taking the shots. Their wrestlers are jerks and their coaches are jerks as well. Wow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 4,041 Report post Posted February 24, 2015 If you're going to get worked up about these things, it has to work both ways. Meyer clearly instigated the incident against Palacio, but Waters was the issue in the second one. The other kid just stays standing in the same spot he was in. He was there first. Why should he have to move? Again, I'm fine with both, just saying people seem to want to have ti both ways here.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
