Cletus_Tucker 889 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 Anybody who thinks a likely 3xAA has not delivered is out of their minds. I don't care how good you were in HS, winning an NCAA title is a totally different animal and that should never be the bar for whether a recruit delivered or not. Every coach in the country would love to recruit 2-3x AAs out of HS, even among top 10 guys. Yeah I have to agree. But It's just the non offensive scoring that makes me scratch my head with Evans. The zero take downs for the entire tournament. The averaging 1.25 points per match. Some of you guys are impressed by that and I get defending your guys, but I have to be honest here and call it as I see it. A 2 time All American should have a take down he can go to for the conference tournament. If he keeps this up, he wont be in the medal rounds at NCAAs and that will stink for him and all his fans. Of course we can always post how he managed two AAs and most wrestlers never accomplish that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Serial_Thriller 77 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 Regarding the derail, you guys are right. That was all me, I mixed up my response with something mentioned somewhere else and I mistakenly interjected it in here. Wasnt intentional, I wont reply on it any further in this thread. Apology accepted, Nancy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bucksfan 67 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 ... Nancy. Thats a little better but still pretty lame. Ask ur kids for some better burns the next time you want to resort to name calling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,573 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 Yeah I have to agree. But It's just the non offensive scoring that makes me scratch my head with Evans. The zero take downs for the entire tournament. The averaging 1.25 points per match. Some of you guys are impressed by that and I get defending your guys, but I have to be honest here and call it as I see it. A 2 time All American should have a take down he can go to for the conference tournament. If he keeps this up, he wont be in the medal rounds at NCAAs and that will stink for him and all his fans. Of course we can always post how he managed two AAs and most wrestlers never accomplish that. Evans is definitely not "my guy". I'm just weighing in with the obvious. A likely 3xAA, offense or no offense, is never a bust and always delivered to all but the most unrealistic expectation. 1 Jaroslav Hasek reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paboom 204 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 He was the favorite to win PA states as a junior but was ineligible to compete in the postseason hence the Blair move as a senior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chasden 54 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) It would have been great if Gilman won the Big Ten championship, and as soon all the photographers wanted to take pictures of ALL the 125 pounders, the seven other wrestlers would just jump off the podium and storm off like poor sports. But from reading some responses hear, it would be no big deal? As much as I do not care for Evans antics, he has as much shot as anyone to win a NCAA title this year at 174. Yes, just as much as Kokesh. PSU guys(not me) were saying Brown had Evans number coming into NCAA's last year, and in the quarters Evans beat Brown! Plus Evans pinned Perry and should have been in the finals. Sure Evans is not flashy or will put up a lot of points, but he is tough and I would not count him out come NCAA's. Edited March 9, 2015 by Chasden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 2,480 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 It would have been great if Gilman won the Big Ten championship, and as soon all the photographers wanted to take pictures of ALL the 125 pounders, the seven other wrestlers would just jump off the podium and storm off like poor sports. But from reading some responses hear, it would be no big deal? I wouldn't care one little bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,127 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 Seriously, does anyone know if Evans was sick? I hope he is good in two weeks, we need people like him so I can have fun and have something to talk about in the bar! Good luck to all! He and Storley both had Solonella poisoning after sharing a pizza after weigh ins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 1,817 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 It would have been great if Gilman won the Big Ten championship, and as soon all the photographers wanted to take pictures of ALL the 125 pounders, the seven other wrestlers would just jump off the podium and storm off like poor sports. But from reading some responses hear, it would be no big deal? that would be hilarious. that would be awesome if something that weird happened. 1 ironmonkey reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Serial_Thriller 77 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 It would have been great if Gilman won the Big Ten championship, and as soon all the photographers wanted to take pictures of ALL the 125 pounders, the seven other wrestlers would just jump off the podium and storm off like poor sports. But from reading some responses hear, it would be no big deal? As much as I do not care for Evans antics, he has as much shot as anyone to win a NCAA title this year at 174. Yes, just as much as Kokesh. PSU guys(not me) were saying Brown had Evans number coming into NCAA's last year, and in the quarters Evans beat Brown! Plus Evans pinned Perry and should have been in the finals. Sure Evans is not flashy or will put up a lot of points, but he is tough and I would not count him out come NCAA's. Wouldn't bother me either. It's not a fashion show.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Show_Me 259 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 Vak or Headshuk or anybody - What are the CAREER records of each of the wrestlers against the other 3 combined ? Kokesh x-x against the combination of Brown/Evans/Storley Brown x-x against Kokesh/Evans/Storley etc. After 4 years of banging heads and wrestling close matches against each other, this would be a very interesting stat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildTurkey44 321 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 Don't be lazy. Look it up yourself if you want to know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Show_Me 259 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) Thought someone might have that info as it was discussed earlier this season in detail. And I couldn't find the thread after searching. Thanx Turkey man for your constructive comment. Edited March 10, 2015 by Show_Me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildTurkey44 321 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 You're welcome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,127 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) Even your name is lazy. Just kidding. Edited March 10, 2015 by headshuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jammen 299 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) Here are the big four 174 results: Kokesh has clearly separated himself from the pack. All the posters who claim that the matches are tossups and anybody can win just haven't been paying attention. Kokesh (10-4) 3-3 vs Storley; 1-3sv, 3-1sv, 3-2, 4-6 tb2, 1-3 tb1, 2-1 3-0 vs Brown; 10-7, 3-2, 7-3 4-1 vs Evans; 6-9, 3-2, 7-3, 6-4, 10-4 Storley (9-11) 3-5 vs Brown; 5-7, WBF, 2-3, 8-4, 2-3, 1-2, 3-1sv, 1-4 3-3 vs Evans; 4-3, 3-1, 3-2, 1-2 tb1, 1-3 sv, 1-2 Brown (10-9) 5-3 vs Evans; 3-4, 7-3, 4-1, 2-3, 4-5 tb1, 6-3, 2-0 Evans (7-12) Edited March 10, 2015 by jammen 2 cradlewiz and BigRedMachine reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigRedMachine 210 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 ^Also worth noting that two of Kokesh's losses to Storley came NCAA's last year where I believe Kokesh was dealing with a fairly bad leg injury. 1 cradlewiz reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dtl38 79 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 Jammen, I think Kokesh has 1 more loss against Evans. Freshman year at B1G tourney if I remember correctly Evans TF Kokesh something like 17-2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TFBJR 358 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 Nicely done. Thanks. Looks just like the B1G played out. Hard to bet against Kokesh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Show_Me 259 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 Jammen - Thank you for that into. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 1,734 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Evans has pinned kokesh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dtl38 79 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Evans has pinned kokesh I don't think so but if can provide when it happened I'll become a believer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
119 20 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Evans has pinned kokesh = NO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TFBJR 358 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 If by "pinned" you mean "escaped" or "pushed" then possible. Otherwise, No. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgallan 592 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 My .02 DI and high level wrestling is a grind. Occasionally wrestlers get injuries that are minor but have an effect. The cuts, the pressure, the burn out and I want to win but am so done as well, catches up. Maybe Evans just has a little of all of this. Not much as he still is competing at a high level, and him winning wouldn't be that big a surprise, but at this level, with such close competition, even a little of your game would be enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
