unbiased 516 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 Everyone can't be a 4-time NCAA champ and Conference Champ. With so much expectation from coaches, family, fans, and the wrestlers themselves, it makes it so much more impressive when someone does become a four timer. The list of 4-timers is short and it always will be compared to the number of wrestlers that tried to accomplish this feat. If you have 5 really impressive wrestlers in one weight class, then 4 aren't going to be a champ. It doesn't mean that all four of them are underachieving, it just shows how tough the weight class was. 2 JohnnyThompsonnum1 and Alwayswrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,482 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 I'm going to enjoy Logan Stieber tearing thru the 141 bracket at NCAA's, because like you said these guys don't come along very often. 3 Bucksfan, Alwayswrestling and TheOhioState reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 920 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 Particularly when they win four in five seasons. 5-3 "first" frosh record. 2 KingK0ng and GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingphish 1,011 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 Particularly when they win four in five seasons. 5-3 "first" frosh record. I still have no idea how that worked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 1,124 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 Seriously guys? Pointing out the 5-3 'first frosh' season is frivolous. Go back and see how he lost, and why, and to whom, all with a broken hand that ended his season. At the end of the day, I agree with "unbiased" and TBar in that it will be fun to watch. Although we are all behind screen names, I'm 99.99999% confident that none of you were one of the other 4-Timers, so given the impending achievement, why all the nay-sayers. Let the guy do his job, and when he does, relish in the fact that he did. Pointing out the 'flaws' only demeans the sport, and yourself. Instead... sit back... and watch... who knows, maybe Port, Darddidn't, or Carter can pull a monumentous upset? 1 JohnnyThompsonnum1 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 920 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 or maybe the ref can give Oliver the TD he deserved? 1 GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingphish 1,011 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 I don't think anyone is trying to take anything away from Logan but to deny the unique circumstances to allow him to compete on varsity in 5 separate seasons would be disingenuous. There are a lot of wrestlers who suffer season ending injuries while participating in less than 8 matches that year who don't get that opportunity and I've never quite understood how he got that chance. I am glad he did but I am just curious as to what made his circumstances different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heelpick 116 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 I didn't realize that was the case. Was it a medical redshirt or hardship? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garyc 11 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 or maybe the ref can give Oliver the TD he deserved? Good god give that a rest! That's in the past. Plus,I saw that match and I didn't think it was a takedown. I'm rooting for Logan to win his 4th. 1 TheOhioState reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,824 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 There is an iMart fruit budding on the tree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,586 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 There is an iMart fruit budding on the tree. You just said yesterday it was too early to start harvesting berries. 1 scribe reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cradlewiz 22 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 I don't think anyone is trying to take anything away from Logan but to deny the unique circumstances to allow him to compete on varsity in 5 separate seasons would be disingenuous. There are a lot of wrestlers who suffer season ending injuries while participating in less than 8 matches that year who don't get that opportunity and I've never quite understood how he got that chance. I am glad he did but I am just curious as to what made his circumstances different. You mean like when Jordan Burroughs got hurt mid way through his true senior season and got a 5th year of varsity competition and won his second title? I never once heard anyone question that one. They both played within the rules 2 HuskyHero133 and gopher_fan_90 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,824 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 Let's definitely not refer to Cox as fruit. 1 brianj reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,220 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 Bottom line, Streebler got a couple of mulligans. No problem. Everything has to come together to win even one title, let alone four. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingphish 1,011 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 You mean like when Jordan Burroughs got hurt mid way through his true senior season and got a 5th year of varsity competition and won his second title? I never once heard anyone question that one. They both played within the rules I never said Steiber violated any rules but no one seems able to point out exactly what rule allowed him to do this. I'm not trying to bag on LS at all. I am just genuinely curious. Wasn't the Burroughs thing the first meet of the year at UNO? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,423 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 On the oliver topic, the ref yelled neutral when jo got stieber to his butt. What was he supposed to do at that point, call 2 when no change in position occured? Jo chose to sit and that's why he lost. As for his true frosh year, who cares? He wrestled less than almost any redshirt and had a serious injury which hurt his record. Jb did the same thing. I do expect we will start seeing more 4 timers now. the information age has really evolved the sport and kids are coming in ready to go at a younger age. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,220 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 I never said Steiber violated any rules but no one seems able to point out exactly what rule allowed him to do this. I'm not trying to bag on LS at all. I am just genuinely curious. Wasn't the Burroughs thing the first meet of the year at UNO? They had a medical redshirt. If you have not participated in more than 30% of the season and its the first half of the season and you have not taken a redshirt, you are eligible for a medical redshirt. It is not a hardship or waiver. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 920 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) I never said Steiber violated any rules but no one seems able to point out exactly what rule allowed him to do this. I'm not trying to bag on LS at all. I am just genuinely curious. Wasn't the Burroughs thing the first meet of the year at UNO? What made it possible for each of them were two items: 1. They had not taken a RS up to the point that their season was interrupted; and 2. They had competed in less than a minimum number of their team's scheduled events (I think the number is 25%) So, I believe these seasons are officially called RS years - with the bouts counting on their official records since they were competing as "attached" athletes. If I'm not mistaken, Burroughs made it by one match... As he happened to miss an event due to a bereavement. Edited March 9, 2015 by lu_alum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingphish 1,011 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 Thanks, guys. The redshirt to burn + first half of the season makes sense and explain why a lot of guys don't get it. 1 brando413 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LkwdSteve 142 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 or maybe the ref can give Oliver the TD he deserved? Or maybe the ref can give Steiber the earlier TD that Logan deserved? Can't have it both ways. JO will live with it, even if it seems you can't. 3 snwbrdwint, cradlewiz and brando413 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madcat11 434 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 ....no one seems able to point out exactly what rule allowed him to do this.... Got answered real quick just like the other 100x it has been asked on this board. 1 snwbrdwint reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingphish 1,011 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 Got answered real quick just like the other 100x it has been asked on this board. This may come as a shock to you but I do not visit this board every day nor do I read every thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madcat11 434 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 This may come as a shock to you but I do not visit this board every day nor do I read every thread. Understandable. I just didn't know who all these people were who didn't get the whole medical redshirt issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingphish 1,011 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 Understandable. I just didn't know who all these people were who didn't get the whole medical redshirt issue. I was under the impression that you had to lose two years of competition due to injury or something of that nature. The Burroughs thing had completely slipped my mind as well and I think most people have sort of forgotten about that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobDole 1,192 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 I'm saddened that MedicineMan hasn't posted on this topic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
