WildTurkey44 321 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 Even in a down year if Penn state gets 7th won't that be disappointing? 1 Ohio_Ice reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,043 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 PSU decided to be disappointing 2 lu_alum and HurricaneWrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HurricaneWrestling 1,123 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Why is Iowa the favorite? Minny and Ohio State were the favorites correct? I don't know. The link I provided was from Intermat. Perhaps you should ask them why they have Iowa projected to win. Do you think another team (or teams) should be favored over the Hawkeyes? As to whether or not, Penn State finishing 7th would be a disappointment, I think it would be, albeit a minor one. Now, if they were projected to win it all but failed, that'd be a real disappointment. JMHO though. Edited March 12, 2015 by HurricaneWrestling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgallan 592 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 The forfeit for Delgado in the 3rd place match at Big Tens really hurt him. I don't think he has a single win over a seeded wrestler this year, so you really can't seed him if you throw out last years results. He beats Conaway for 3rd, he would have got that seed... I still say any seeding system that excludes a two time defending champion is absurd. If he gets form between now and then he is the ultimate bracket buster. Common sense should at least have some say so. 1 tightwaist reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jstock 125 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 Would not be so bad if Delgado was switched with Lizak, Caprio or Parker. That same logic can be applied to a few other brackets where these top unseeded guys face the no 4 instead of no 1 seed early Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,043 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 I still say any seeding system that excludes a two time defending champion is absurd. If he gets form between now and then he is the ultimate bracket buster. Common sense should at least have some say so. Who is the person we can trust to define common sense? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildTurkey44 321 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 I would say it's going to be a down to the wire battle between Iowa,Mizzou and Ohio state. If Nick Moore was healthy I would say Iowa all the way. But I'm sure OSU could say the same about Hunter and Tavenello Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sockobuw 49 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 t wilps has multiple wins over butler and beat him for the ACC title. if you have a big win or two the committee seems to overlook several losses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silver-medal 670 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 There are some real head scratchers esp. involving Brewer, Kindig and Delgado. It almost looks as if the seeding committee purposely arranged the brackets to be more intriguing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 1,347 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 The forfeit for Delgado in the 3rd place match at Big Tens really hurt him. I don't think he has a single win over a seeded wrestler this year, so you really can't seed him if you throw out last years results. He beats Conaway for 3rd, he would have got that seed... I think Delgado got a great spot, probably better than if seeded. No one wants to wrestle Delgado first thing after weigh-ins, if he wins he basically takes over the #8 seed spot. Better match ups for him on Waters side, that was his first tough match against Waters in the Ntl duals, he opened up and wrestled better at Big10s, I'm sure Waters hopes he doesn't make it to the qrts another first match following weigh-ins, correct? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divot_head 2 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 Johnny Eblen a 5 seed over Storley is laughable. Eblen loses to Waters in MAC final. Waters with 1 loss and a previous AA 9 seed, Eblen 5 losses 4 seed, WTF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sockobuw 49 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 brewer at 13 is the worst seed for me. and yes, waters having to get delgado off a weigh-in is bad for him compared to semi or final if delgado can put a tournament together with his injury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divot_head 2 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 Not enough matches. That seems to be the theme for high end wrestlers ending up with poor seeds. Is there a rule for that or a rule for no common sense. I wonder how many on seeding committee had evan knew of half of these wrestlers or have ever wrestled themselves? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redblades 322 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 Is there a rule for that or a rule for no common sense. I wonder how many on seeding committee had evan knew of half of these wrestlers or have ever wrestled themselves? Guys have an entire season to build a resume - if they don't bother, then they risk getting a bum seed. I've got no problem with basing the seeding on this year's results, rather than what fans "believe". Ya wanna base seeding on "belief" - put Peter Pan on the committee. :-P 1 BigRedMachine reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sockobuw 49 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 habat is in the best spot in the bracket or the worst. depends how healthy kindig is and how much hunter can wrestle through when it really matters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divot_head 2 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 Guys have an entire season to build a resume - if they don't bother, then they risk getting a bum seed. I've got no problem with basing the seeding on this year's results, rather than what fans "believe". Ya wanna base seeding on "belief" - put Peter Pan on the committee. :-P ok, explain Waters 9, Eblen 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sockobuw 49 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 Guys have an entire season to build a resume - if they don't bother, then they risk getting a bum seed. I've got no problem with basing the seeding on this year's results, rather than what fans "believe". Ya wanna base seeding on "belief" - put Peter Pan on the committee. :-P t wilps missed the early part of the season and got hurt by it. it doesn't make sense to penalize guys that started late in the season, but won their conference over 2 guys seeded ahead of him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divot_head 2 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 Realbuto only 22 matches, two of them being losses, 2 seed. Didn't penalize him. Smith and Knoll who learned to sell cars from Spates might have been on committee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 718 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 Realbuto only 22 matches, two of them being losses, 2 seed. Didn't penalize him. Smith and Knoll who learned to sell cars from Spates might have been on committeethe difference with Realbuto is that he wrestled the entire second semester. most of the others who had partial season skipped out on the majority of their January/February schedules. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 2,766 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 Not really. Vak just said that in case the Hawks slip up and Mizzou wins. Iowa is still the favorite, although it should be a close race. http://intermatwrestle.com/rankings/college/Team Passive aggressiveness at its finest. Those scores are a projection based on their rankings, not the actual seeds. Those ranking were updated yesterday, obviously before the brackets were released. For instance, they are giving Lavion Mayes 5th place points instead of his 3rd seed points. Keep trying though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redblades 322 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 ok, explain Waters 9, Eblen 4 Walters is hurt by a relatively weak schedule; Eblen has more quality wins, and his losses were to very highly ranked guys (e.g. Kokesh, Snyder, Evans) Look, I'm not saying I can't see it going the other way, but once you understand the metrics being used, it does make sense. (Personally, I would give more weight to conference finals, but it is clear that the formula used gives equal weight to the entire season results). And the seeding DOES have to be based on metrics, not on "belief" or "common sense" because you can argue that any way you want. Besides, I like Walters at #9 - I think that's a good matchup for my man Duke Pickett! 1 BigRedMachine reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nittany 15 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 Peters (UNI) at 125 with a #9 seed? Has two losses to Waters (#1 seed), two to Dance (#3 seed) and one to Garrett (#2 seed). I'd probably put him behind Tomasello (#4 seed) even though Peters pinned him and Gilman (#6 seed) as well. But behind Boyle (#5 seed and Intermat #8), Kilmara (#7 seed and Intermat #9), and Cox (#8 seed and Intermat #13)? Peters is Intermat #6. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smitty11 16 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 How does Tsirtsis get seeded 5th last year and 2nd this year after winning the big ten both years? If Houdashelt was unbeaten I would understand but just don't get this. Tsirtsis beat the 3 seed and 4 seed. Houdashelt lost to someone that is not even seeded. Makes no sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OBJoeB 32 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 At 141 Ashnault is the 7 seed and Abidin is the 9 seed. Abidin has beaten him twice. Its almost like the seeding committee got the 2 Anthony's mixed up. Looking at the records of the #7-9 guys, Ashnault, Martinez, Abidin. Abidin beat Ashnault twice, including at the B1Gs and placed higher. Ashnault beat Martinez, 10-8. Abidin & Martinez split matches. Early in the season Abidin won 12-4. Martinez won the 2nd match, 10-2. Abidin lost twice to Dziewa. Ashnault is 1-0 vs Dziewa. Abidin beat Rodrigues thrice. Ashnault is 0-1 vs Rodrigues. Martinez beat Speno. Abidin lost to Speno. Yeah, doesn't make much sense. By their criteria, Abidin should be #7. It is as if they didn't want to put Abidin ahead of Martinez and they didn't want to Martinez ahead of Ashnault. So they completely disregarded Abidin vs Ashnault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teach 164 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 Put together a simple criteria for seeding. Follow it. Have no submissive language in it. Then everyone knows, and argument is over. Is it always correct, no. Is it equal, yes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
