BraunMann 6 Report post Posted March 22, 2015 Mentioned at his post NCAA presser he plans to try to make a World Team at this weight. Marable wasn't even a NCAA champion. Welch and Green have proven soft in the big matches time and time again. Can anybody stop Martinez? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRyan2012 343 Report post Posted March 22, 2015 Dustin Schlatter had this type of freshman year and never won it again. He did make a world team. I would say why not he just did something only Cael has done in the last 20 years! Can' t wait for Open and trials! Also I want to see Gadsen at 213! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted March 22, 2015 Mentioned at his post NCAA presser he plans to try to make a World Team at this weight. Marable wasn't even a NCAA champion. Welch and Green have proven soft in the big matches time and time again. Can anybody stop Martinez? You say he wasn't an NCAA champion but lets keep in mind the world team trials will be in a different style than Marable competed under while wrestling in college. And keep in mind, the last time Martinez was on a freestyle mat, he was getting teched out of the building by a high schooler. Marable will be a substantial favorite over anyone not named Schlatter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BraunMann 6 Report post Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) You say he wasn't an NCAA champion but lets keep in mind the world team trials will be in a different style than Marable competed under while wrestling in college. And keep in mind, the last time Martinez was on a freestyle mat, he was getting teched out of the building by a high schooler. Marable will be a substantial favorite over anyone not named Schlatter True, he was pretty bad in par terre in that match. But if he's as hard to take down as he's been this NCAA season, should be interesting to see what transpires. Edited March 22, 2015 by BraunMann Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 953 Report post Posted March 23, 2015 Marable wasn't an NCAA champ but he did best Burroughs. Also Kevin Jackson was never an ncaa champ. Neither was Zeke Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 861 Report post Posted March 23, 2015 Mentioned at his post NCAA presser he plans to try to make a World Team at this weight. Marable wasn't even a NCAA champion. Welch and Green have proven soft in the big matches time and time again. Can anybody stop Martinez? Jason Welch pinned a bronze medalist up a weightclass. Marable has improved tremendously every time out since beating Burroughs James Green has probably the best freestyle training partner on planet earth Schlatter seems healthy and motivated and is getting used to the new freestyle rules fast Martinez has a sky-high ceiling, but there are plenty of guys who will make it hard for him, and can match every iota of his athleticism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted March 23, 2015 See above. Martinez is good though, really good, with freestyle friendly takedowns. Won't take him long to be a great freestyle wrestler if he commits himself to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 536 Report post Posted March 23, 2015 Oh yeah, let steel sharpen steel. Congrats to IMar, what a run. Will be fun to see him enter 70 with the big boys. Anything can happen, but I'm not writing this kid off yet. Love his attitude on and off the mat. If I may change gears (actually weight class) from the OP, did Logan say what weight he'll enter this spring. Will he stay at 65 and battle with Metcalf, Pico, Oliver and others, or does he try to make it back down to 61? US Open and Trials should be wild this year. 2 GoNotQuietly and denger reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,604 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 Great to see I-Mart there, will be fun to watch and see how his style works against guys who rarely give up position. Steiber will be in a tough spot weightwise, similar to Humphrey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 861 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 Steiber was 5th at 65kg in the last USAW rankings, and it seems like he would have a tough time going up to see all those other guys mentioned above at 70kg. Training freestyle full time he could definitely pass Moliaro, Pico, and Oliver. Steiber vs. Metcalf could be a serious grude match on the horizon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 Steiber pass Pico? Come on guys, Pico is not getting passed. He's the one coming up quickly in the fast lane. He's the one doing the passing. He's the #2 ranked guy in the United States now as a high schooler. Give him by this time next year and he will be untouchable domestically and right there with the very best in the world. He's just that good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 536 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 65kg is probably my favorite weight class (one reason - cause it would be my weight class if I had to enter, lol), and I have no idea who to root for here. Metcalf, Pico, JO and Logan are all right there as some of my favorite wrestlers in the world. Also had the privilege to meet Metcalf and JO on separate occasions, and both guys were complete class acts to me. As far as the wrestling at 65, I guess Brent has to be the favorite, but geez, whoever gets hot can win this thing IMO. Nonetheless, have a feeling USA's 65kg rep will finally end the medal drought this year. Also, didn't Pico and Logan have a simulated World match right before Jr. World's last summer? Thought I read that Logan won, but might be wrong on this. (Sorry for digressing from IMar and the OP.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CA_Wrestler 239 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 65kg is probably my favorite weight class (one reason - cause it would be my weight class if I had to enter, lol), and I have no idea who to root for here. Metcalf, Pico, JO and Logan are all right there as some of my favorite wrestlers in the world. Also had the privilege to meet Metcalf and JO on separate occasions, and both guys were complete class acts to me. As far as the wrestling at 65, I guess Brent has to be the favorite, but geez, whoever gets hot can win this thing IMO. Nonetheless, have a feeling USA's 65kg rep will finally end the medal drought this year. Also, didn't Pico and Logan have a simulated World match right before Jr. World's last summer? Thought I read that Logan won, but might be wrong on this. (Sorry for digressing from IMar and the OP.) Pico got the better of Steiber the first day. Steiber got the better of Pico the second day 1 2td3nf reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 536 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 Pico got the better of Steiber the first day. Steiber got the better of Pico the second day Thanks CA, not at all surprised to hear those results. Albeit, I never met Steiber or Pico yet, but they both seem like great, classy young men. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 Logan needs to improve his set ups and his awareness of counter tilts to be a true world level contender. Hope he does, he wrestles a fun style. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 861 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) To clarify, I think Logan is technically more skilled than Pico at the moment, and by 'pass' I mean that by fully adapting his training and mindset he would (possibly) be able to surpass Pico et al. currently above him on the U.S. ladder rapidly. Considered over the long-term, Pico has the most room for career growth and improvement, but fully commited Steiber could blaze by him now that he is off the folkstyle dead-end detour. Edited March 25, 2015 by GoNotQuietly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CA_Wrestler 239 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 All I can say is that the upcoming USA tournaments(USO and WTT) are going to be really fun to watch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreezeWrestling 39 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 Find it comical to believe that a 4 time national champ would not be favored over a would be junior in high school. I know Pico is amazing, but I just don't believe he has the man strength to compete with Stieber or Metcalf. I could be wrong, but Ill stick to my guns until he does beat them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 Keep in mind freeze, while Steiber is winning folkstyler titles against college kids, Pico is touring the world and beating senior reps from some of the best wrestling countries in the world. They don't take into consideration your NCAA resume when ranking for freestyle, the rest of the world would be unranked (no NCAA credentials). Pico is just that good. Whooped up a recent world champion last year and just torched the field at Cuba, including the Ohio state kid raned ahead of Steiber, 5-0. The bout was not close. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BraunMann 6 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Keep in mind freeze, while Steiber is winning folkstyler titles against college kids, Pico is touring the world and beating senior reps from some of the best wrestling countries in the world. They don't take into consideration your NCAA resume when ranking for freestyle, the rest of the world would be unranked (no NCAA credentials). Pico is just that good. Whooped up a recent world champion last year and just torched the field at Cuba, including the Ohio state kid raned ahead of Steiber, 5-0. The bout was not close. Pico lost to Heil, who isn't even an NCAA Champion. Nearly lost to a Japanese guy at Junior Worlds and got dominated by an Iranian in the finals of Junior Worlds. Do you think he makes a US World team? Edited March 25, 2015 by BraunMann Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gutfirst 219 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 are you guys arguing about who our 2nd and 3rd ranked guys are going to be in a weight we haven't medaled in several years? 1 Vertical reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 Pico lost to Heil, who isn't even an NCAA Champion. Nearly lost to a Japanese guy at Junior Worlds and got dominated by an Iranian in the finals of Junior Worlds. Do you think he makes a US World team? Yes the defeat to Heil as an 8th grader stands out as a very bad mark on his record. I'm not sure if the undefeated California state championship as a frosh, or the cadet world title, or even the junior world silver medal since then makes up for his ugly showing against the non NCAA champion, Heil. I'll forward your concerns to his coaching staff and see if we can't somehow come up with a way to have that put behind him and produce some key wins in order to restore your faith in his ability. I do believe he will continue to make US world teams Thank you for your input 1 leshismore reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 Gutfirst, that made me laugh:) Btw that Iranian has been tearing it up at 70 kg in Seniors. Won several tournaments and beat the defending world champion. 1 gutfirst reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BraunMann 6 Report post Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Yes the defeat to Heil as an 8th grader stands out as a very bad mark on his record. I'm not sure if the undefeated California state championship as a frosh, or the cadet world title, or even the junior world silver medal since then makes up for his ugly showing against the non NCAA champion, Heil. I'll forward your concerns to his coaching staff and see if we can't somehow come up with a way to have that put behind him and produce some key wins in order to restore your faith in his ability. I do believe he will continue to make US world teams Thank you for your input The loss to Heil was during his freshman year at Super 32s Edited March 26, 2015 by BraunMann Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buckxell 145 Report post Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Keep in mind freeze, while Steiber is winning folkstyler titles against college kids, Pico is touring the world and beating senior reps from some of the best wrestling countries in the world. They don't take into consideration your NCAA resume when ranking for freestyle, the rest of the world would be unranked (no NCAA credentials). Pico is just that good. Whooped up a recent world champion last year and just torched the field at Cuba, including the Ohio state kid raned ahead of Steiber, 5-0. The bout was not close. Yeah he is legit... It's too bad we're going to lose him to mma. Edited March 26, 2015 by Buckxell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
