JerseyJoey 25 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 Hearing a lot of rumors of guys taking Olympic redshirts despite the fact that they have no reasonable chance of making the Olympics. Any college kid that is trying to make the Olympic team @ 163 has a better chance of making the Olympics in platform diving than they do in wrestling. IMO you should have to have placed top 4 in the US Nationals to take an Olympic Redshirt. I'm really over the 25 year old seniors. (Btw, interesting how some careers wound up getting derailed by the Olympic Redshirt. When was the last time a college guy redshirted and made the team? I can name many guys that possibly cost themselves an NCAA title by taking the Olympic Redshirt.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,838 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 I don't know where to begin on how much I disagree with this post/thread/thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stove_Pipe 15 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 ^^Imo the NCAA redshirt rules are crazy. I'd toss the RS rules out and replace them with simple rule, such as you get 6 yrs to use 4 yrs, or whatever. No questions asked about WHY you take a year off. Bottom line, however, is that NCAA college wrestling is whatever the rules say it is. 2 stp and sgallan reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronChef 1,101 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 Hearing a lot of rumors of guys taking Olympic redshirts despite the fact that they have no reasonable chance of making the Olympics. Any college kid that is trying to make the Olympic team @ 163 has a better chance of making the Olympics in platform diving than they do in wrestling. IMO you should have to have placed top 4 in the US Nationals to take an Olympic Redshirt. I'm really over the 25 year old seniors. (Btw, interesting how some careers wound up getting derailed by the Olympic Redshirt. When was the last time a college guy redshirted and made the team? I can name many guys that possibly cost themselves an NCAA title by taking the Olympic Redshirt.) Did you do any research on the criteria for an Olympic waiver before making this post? Seen here: http://content.themat.com/forms/2016-Olympic-Redshirt-Criteria.pdf There are four ways to qualify for an Olympic redshirt year Only required to meet one criteria 1) Past National Team members (Top 3 from the World or Olympic Team Trials) 2) Top 8 at the 2015 Senior World Team Trials 3) Top 3 at the 2015 NCAA Wrestling Championship or NCAA Champion from a previous year AND top 2 from the 2015 University National Championships (must accomplish both) 4) Previous Junior or University World Medalist 1 stp reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordNelson 552 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 No need to read when you can just throw out generalizations. 3 JasonBryant, jtothep and rlw028 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,607 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Deitchler Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,872 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 Deitchler qualified right after graduating high school, pretty sure he never took an Olympic redshirt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,607 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 Deitchler qualified right after graduating high school, pretty sure he never took an Olympic redshirt. My point is the everyone should be able to chase their Olympic dream, even if in the NCAA program. Who's to say Dake couldn't have cracked the Greco team? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 548 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 and why punish them for the money they get...as in deitchler's case... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviator12 208 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 Who are you hearing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 920 Report post Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) By my quick count, here is the list of those collegiate-age wrestlers who have met criteria #4 above: Thomas Gillman (Iowa), 2014 JR FS Bronze, 55 kg Joey McKenna (Stanford recruit), 2014 JR FS Silver, 60 kg Aaron Pico (n/a), 2014 JR FS Silver, 66 kg Gabe Dean (Cornell), 2014 JR FS Bronze, 84 kg Kyle Snyder (tOSU), 2014 JR FS Bronze, 2013 JR FS Gold, 96 kg each Adam Coon (Michigan), 2014 JR FS Bronze, 2014 JR GR Bronze, 120 kg Alex Dieringer (OSU), 2013 JR FS Silver, 74 kg Sam Stoll (Iowa), 2013 JR GR Bronze, 120 kg Jesse Thielke (Wisconsin), 2012 JR GR Bronze, 60 kg Pat Downey (Iowa Central CC), 2012 JR FS Silver, 84 kg one more: Sam Jones (N. Michigan), 2014 Univ GR Bronze, 59 kg Edited March 25, 2015 by lu_alum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 If you want tougher criteria then how about they need to medal at the US nationals or trials, jr worlds, or a major international tournament? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 One thing not being considered is that although the college kid taking the Olympic redshirt might not qualify, his presence added to the competition for Olympic representative helps to make the road more difficult and thus better prepare the one who ultimately wins the trials. It could be one of the looks our guy needs in order to better round his game and prepare for Olympic glory. Also, just because he doesn't make it that year, it could be the experience that eventually leads him to to earn the spot years later. Brent Metcalf comes to mind. He has to have been in 10 world and Olympic qualifiers now, starting with his frosh year at Iowa. He was always short of the goals, several times the bride's maid but he eventually got there and although he's never placed at a worlds, he did finally win a match this past summer. Little by little he inches closer. Keep the Olympic redshirt year. 1 denger reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 920 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 If you want tougher criteria then how about they need to medal at the US nationals or trials, jr worlds, or a major international tournament? um, that is the criteria - isn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordNelson 552 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 Back to the OP.............WHY??? Or are you just blowing smoke? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,262 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 Whats up with the NCAA supporting religious missions? Why should a public institution add an explicit waiver for religion? It makes no sense. Other young people may find it personally fulfilling to do something other than college, but they burn eligibility by doing so. 1 Cletus_Tucker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinnum 840 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 Whats up with the NCAA supporting religious missions? Why should a public institution add an explicit waiver for religion? It makes no sense. Other young people may find it personally fulfilling to do something other than college, but they burn eligibility by doing so. The public schools are not granting the waiver, the national association which most schools belong is issuing the waiver and the national association has a lot of religious schools that are members. This is much to do about nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordNelson 552 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 This is much to do about nothing. Agree. Disappointed I even responded to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,262 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 If the questions are meaningless to you, you are welcome to exercise your right to remain silent. The lion's share of funding for the NCAA comes from public institutions, so it is not a private organization. Serious question. I'd like to know why the NCAA would choose to grant waivers for one personal choice (religion) and not other personal choices. Anybody know when it started and what the rationale behind it was? Lawsuits and threats from wealthy religious institutions? Committee members that are religious? I have nothing against a deferment of eligibility, in fact I'm all for it. I like it so much that I wish extended to everyone, regardless of their religion or lack thereof. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinnum 840 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 If the questions are meaningless to you, you are welcome to exercise your right to remain silent. The lion's share of funding for the NCAA comes from public institutions, so it is not a private organization. Serious question. I'd like to know why the NCAA would choose to grant waivers for one personal choice (religion) and not other personal choices. Anybody know when it started and what the rationale behind it was? Lawsuits and threats from wealthy religious institutions? Committee members that are religious? I have nothing against a deferment of eligibility, in fact I'm all for it. I like it so much that I wish extended to everyone, regardless of their religion or lack thereof. The waiver is a "reasonable accommodation" for religious practice and there is a large number of people that use them. The same is true of the military waiver. It is not as if they are using a waiver and training at the Finger Lakes club. There is a one year waiver that anyone is able to use if they want to pursue something (like the Finger Lakes club). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,075 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 There is likewise a waiver for foreign service (Peace Corps?) 1 Pinnum reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYWRESTLER94 221 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 Was Marstellar on a Jr or Cadet team when he won a medal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronChef 1,101 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 The lion's share of funding for the NCAA comes from public institutions, so it is not a private organization. This is a false statement. 90% of NCAA revenue comes from marketing and television rights for the men's basketball tournament. Most of the rest comes from money generated at the various championships. Annual dues for NCAA Division I membership is $1,800. That is a small drop in a big bucket considering the NCAA annual budget of over $800 million. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted March 25, 2015 Lu, the poster criteria include a top 8 finish at the wtt's or a top 3 at NCAAs. My proposed criteria don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichB 227 Report post Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) including the 2 year religious mission in a six year plan is reasonable. A year or two of competition, then a July to July (2 year) mission, followed by 2-3 years competition, is reasonable. A red shirt year, then a 2 year mission (especially when the mission is known to be required) then four years of competition is crap. Then there is the guy who takes a redshirt year, then saves 3 years for a 2 year mission. Is he going to have 4 years of wrestling then? Unless you are in the military, the clock should stop six years after your class graduates HS. Not enough go to D3 (or D2?) Edited March 26, 2015 by RichB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
