caroten158 1 Report post Posted March 28, 2015 Just watched Taylor get teched by World Champion Dennis Tsargush at the Yasar Dogu. Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that Americans have a hard time finishing takedowns when there behind and the opponent hangs/scrambles in a tripod position. Under high school/NCAA rules a takedown would be awarded when the hands hit the mat. In International styles one has to break their opponent to a knee for the referee to award two points. Is this a position that Americans are weak in because they don't have to practice it in folkstyle? What are your thoughts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldrules 32 Report post Posted March 28, 2015 International wrestlers do seem to defend well in that position and we do struggle with breaking them down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,953 Report post Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) I think it is just the very top level world guys that he struggles with, like today against the world champions at 74kg and 70kg. The Iranian and the other (Geo?) wrestler he dominated. Edited March 28, 2015 by TBar1977 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldrules 32 Report post Posted March 28, 2015 Where were you able to watch? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 546 Report post Posted March 28, 2015 There were live feeds buried in these forums here as well as Flo. As far as Taylor, (only saw the second period against Tsargush) I don't know, sort of surprised, not sort of surprised. Was definitely anticipating a higher place, but then again, it was 2 different World champs. If anything else, DT got a bracket full of tough international competition today. The Champ is the favorite come Trials, but 74 is still gonna be fun with DT, KD (hope Dake's 100% by then), Howe and now Dierenger in the field. I like all above mentioned wrestlers, but I would love to see JB beat Tsargush in the finals and get his belt back. 1 Coach_J reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,755 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 I don't think it's just Taylor. Tripod is a TD in folkstyle but not a TD in freestyle. That has something to do with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldrules 32 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 The US has great athletes but not the best technicians. That is a position that we don't do well in. 1 Coach_J reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 A key to breaking down the tripod is challenging the low gut wrench, which is not a strength of many Americans. Mind you Tsargush us freakishly hard to score on from anywhere. 1 GoNotQuietly reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,708 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 Gavin was able to hit a turn (think a gut) on his guy who tripoded on him in neutral. Figure that would be more common... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,708 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 Hutter wins 3-2, though I'm not sure how Georgia didn't get a point for a pushout at the end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,708 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) In his last repechage Reader got 2 TDs when his opponent tripoded. In both cases he went to his left side and pushed his right leg into the back of his opponent's left knee. Made it look easy Edited March 29, 2015 by Gantry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 999 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 A key to breaking down the tripod is challenging the low gut wrench, which is not a strength of many Americans. Mind you Tsargush us freakishly hard to score on from anywhere. I agree with this; we struggle with par-terre offense and this is a natural repercussion of that deficit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldrules 32 Report post Posted March 29, 2015 The US struggles with this position is nothing new. Go look at a video of Heydari vs Cormier. Cormier had Heydari dead to rights and the Iranian slipped right out and scored one of his own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted March 30, 2015 Does FILA still have the one-point "half takedown" rule? If so, what's the difference between a 1 and 2 td? I seem to recall Taylor scoring a lot of half td's last year(?) but can't keep the rule straight in my mind... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quanon 161 Report post Posted March 30, 2015 Does FILA still have the one-point "half takedown" rule? No, it's gone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted March 30, 2015 Oh, good. Anyway, I didn't understand the rule but think it may have been advantageous towards Taylor's style? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
