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12 out of the 640 matches at the NCAA championships had regulation final scores of 1-0, 2-0, or 2-1. That's less than one out of fifty matches. Of the 12, Tsirtsis accounted for three.

 

I found the tournament to be as exciting as ever, with the exception of a small number of guys who are trying to slow the match way down (like Tsirtsis). I think guys went out there to wrestle. Scoring on top guys is really hard, and fans need to be sophisticated enough to appreciate this and not seek gimmick rule changes that may increase scoring without increasing action or wrestling.

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12 out of the 640 matches at the NCAA championships had regulation final scores of 1-0, 2-0, or 2-1. That's less than one out of fifty matches. Of the 12, Tsirtsis accounted for three.

 

I found the tournament to be as exciting as ever, with the exception of a small number of guys who are trying to slow the match way down (like Tsirtsis). I think guys went out there to wrestle. Scoring on top guys is really hard, and fans need to be sophisticated enough to appreciate this and not seek gimmick rule changes that may increase scoring without increasing action or wrestling.

So you didn't see any issues with the Wilps-Kokesh match?

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12 out of the 640 matches at the NCAA championships had regulation final scores of 1-0, 2-0, or 2-1. That's less than one out of fifty matches. Of the 12, Tsirtsis accounted for three.

 

I found the tournament to be as exciting as ever, with the exception of a small number of guys who are trying to slow the match way down (like Tsirtsis). I think guys went out there to wrestle. Scoring on top guys is really hard, and fans need to be sophisticated enough to appreciate this and not seek gimmick rule changes that may increase scoring without increasing action or wrestling.

 

I noticed you didn't show how many matches went 1-1 in regulation.   I am guessing this is far more common than any of the scores you looked at. 

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I did not count 1-1 OT matches, of which there were a good number. I was inspired a bit by the Burroughs blog where he talked about matches ending in regulation with no takedowns and wrestlers having a strategy to win with only escapes and riding time.

 

A push out increases scoring, not wrestling. Which is more important?

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I watch freestyle. The push out reduces action because guys are so preoccupied with staying in the center. Guys don't make as much contact and spend a lot of time dancing. Wrestlers in 50-50 positions give up opportunities near the edge because of the fear of getting bumped out.

 

The impetus for the push out was the same as the best of 3 periods and elimination of overtime. These rules were put in place to make matches go faster, not to improve the product on the mat.

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The impetus for the push out was the same as the best of 3 periods and elimination of overtime. These rules were put in place to make matches go faster, not to improve the product on the mat.

for whatever the reason, im glad they did it because it improves the product on the mat. couldnt be more obvious after watching the NCAAs.

 

zeke jones and jordan burroughs have a good amount of experience in both styles. i would think they could be trusted on this topic. 

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In regards to the thread title:

 

I watch folkstyle pretty sporadically, but my general impression was that the exiting wrestling of the NCAA tournament was a pretty stark contrast to the boring wrestling of the dual season and big ten tournament.

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I watch freestyle. The push out reduces action because guys are so preoccupied with staying in the center. Guys don't make as much contact and spend a lot of time dancing. Wrestlers in 50-50 positions give up opportunities near the edge because of the fear of getting bumped out.

 

The impetus for the push out was the same as the best of 3 periods and elimination of overtime. These rules were put in place to make matches go faster, not to improve the product on the mat.

 

Are you saying guys give up TD's instead of the step out point?  Or they don't take shots at the edge?

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I did not count 1-1 OT matches, of which there were a good number. I was inspired a bit by the Burroughs blog where he talked about matches ending in regulation with no takedowns and wrestlers having a strategy to win with only escapes and riding time.

 

A push out increases scoring, not wrestling. Which is more important?

 

A push out does increase wrestling as position matters more and forces guys to wrestle in the middle of the mat as opposed to dancing on the edge - see Wilps vs Kokesh. 

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But then it would just turn into a sumo match on the edge of the mat, not really an upgrade.

i wish it would turn into Sumo. 

 

in any event, i guess it comes down to preference. comparing the two is an easy call for me. the struggle on the edge of the mat is much better imo when out of bounds and neutral restart is no longer an option for the defending wrestler. 

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