Angry_Fish 313 Report post Posted April 13, 2015 Burroughs and Dlagnev have zero reason to enter the event. Earlier posts have suggested that at least JB, if not both of them, will forgo the event b/c they are already guaranteed a sport in the finals of the WTTs. But doesn't similar logic apply to everyone else at these weights? If one cannot earn the right to be in the finals of WTTs, nor gain any experience against JB/TD, why bother entering? One reason would be if the person did not already have a bid sealed up for WTTs, but I am assuming (I know this is dangerous and I could be wrong) all the top guys at these weights (Rey, Fortune, Taylor, Dake, Howe, etc) all have bids already or would certainly have one extended to them (Dake) even if they did not enter the US Open. Am I missing something here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BraunMann 6 Report post Posted April 13, 2015 Why wouldn't Burroughs enter and try to dispel any ideas that any of these guys have of being able to beat him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 1,168 Report post Posted April 13, 2015 Financial incentives, seeding/ranking for other tournaments, open level experience without traveling abroad, bragging rights, practice with physical and mental preparation for a big tournament (especially for weight cutters), they prefer wrestling to not-wrestling, etc. 1 RealAmericanHero reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denger 339 Report post Posted April 13, 2015 I doubt JB is too concerned about the rumors. However, when he talks about his legacy he is focused on the fans - so he wrestles because it's good for his career and the sport (fan base). I doubt he's itching for opportunities to knock his challengers back a notch. Angry_Fish raises some interesting questions, which we won't hear the athletes and coaches discuss. Their top priority is the health of the wrestler. I wouldn't wrestle it if I were in their position, but I'm not a world class bad@ss. I'm sure their logic and mine aren't the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DuckFor2 216 Report post Posted April 13, 2015 you can't get better by foregoing events is why. you don't get better in the stands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rlw028 106 Report post Posted April 13, 2015 you can't get better by foregoing events is why. you don't get better in the stands. Tell that to the Russians who sent their C team to the World Cup. Top Russians/Eastern Europeans generally compete 3-4 times a year, much less than we do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRyan2012 347 Report post Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) A bye to the WTT finals is a good reason not to bypass the Open. JB does not automatically have a spot in the WTT finals does he? I thought it was medalists and Open champion? Sorry, I may be wrong, if so, sorry:-) Edited April 13, 2015 by PRyan2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,423 Report post Posted April 13, 2015 I believe Burroughs said last year that he won't be entering the US Open anymore. With his bronze medal at last year's world championships I believe he does have an automatic entry to the WTT finals and doesn't need to participate in the US Open. Tervel is the other example of this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronChef 1,078 Report post Posted April 13, 2015 I am assuming (I know this is dangerous and I could be wrong) all the top guys at these weights (Rey, Fortune, Taylor, Dake, Howe, etc) all have bids already or would certainly have one extended to them (Dake) even if they did not enter the US Open. Am I missing something here? Here is the WTT qualifying criteria: http://content.themat.com/forms/2015-Trials-Procedures-MFS.pdf You can see why the top guys need to go to the US Nationals. None of them have qualified for the trials yet except Burroughs and Dlagnev. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
forrestfire174 0 Report post Posted April 13, 2015 Im pretty sure Jordan will not wrestle at open, after the interview last year he said it would probably be his last! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted April 13, 2015 People might enter because they enjoy wrestling, or (potentially) winning medals, or for the experience, or for better seeding at the trials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,232 Report post Posted April 13, 2015 I also recall JB saying last year would be his final US Open. His reasoning was that he has nothing to gain and he gives his top rivals more experience against him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiedsworld 14 Report post Posted April 13, 2015 Even if someone were fortunate to knock Burroughs off at the WTT, the US would be foolish to send anyone other than JB to the Championship. He has proven he has the game to win it all or even medal when injured...no one else can make that claim at 74K. For all those that think we have 3 or 4 of the top guys in the world stacked up at this weight, you need to think again. The way Taylor got handled at Dogu just goes to show you we have one top guy at this weight, not multiple. Until Dake can come back and win some top international events he should not be in the discussion either. 1 Katie reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldrules 32 Report post Posted April 13, 2015 It is all about staying healthy. I like JB and want to see him wrestle, however I want to see him win Worlds not get hurt at the Open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 1,076 Report post Posted April 14, 2015 I also recall JB saying last year would be his final US Open. His reasoning was that he has nothing to gain and he gives his top rivals more experience against him. Absolutely. Burroughs is far and away our best wrestler. I'm all for being excited about guys like Dake and Taylor, but neither of them have shown they can do what Burroughs does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 1,168 Report post Posted April 14, 2015 So there is no need to outplace the defending medalist at an international competition anymore? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 1,076 Report post Posted April 14, 2015 Nobody will be competing at 75kg. And I do mean nobody. 1 rlw028 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted April 14, 2015 Greco. Dake vs Bisek? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cangemi 228 Report post Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) Katie. Absolutely , I been excited for our young guns, but Jordan is our man he dominates. hes our guy 2016! I was drinking kool aid for a while ( Dake & Taylor) ! I Put down the glass this weekend! Maybe Dake can go Greco. Taylor has to wait! Also Metcalf really looking good! I think he has turned the corner. Wish Steiber could drop down! Frank C Edited April 14, 2015 by cangemi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted April 14, 2015 Some guys want to win national championships. When I competed, that was more important to me than an Olympic gold medal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angry_Fish 313 Report post Posted April 14, 2015 Nobody will be competing at 75kg. And I do mean nobody. Sorry Katie, the site does not let me fix the typo. I know the wieght is 74KG. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BraunMann 6 Report post Posted April 21, 2015 I believe Burroughs said last year that he won't be entering the US Open anymore. With his bronze medal at last year's world championships I believe he does have an automatic entry to the WTT finals and doesn't need to participate in the US Open. Tervel is the other example of this. You'd think he'd want the training aspect of it, and to mentally prepare for whatever he faces at WTTs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rpm002 192 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Maybe I'm missing something, but read the qualifying rules here: http://content.themat.com/forms/2015-Trials-Procedures-MFS.pdf To me, that says there are a maximum of 8 spots in the challenge tournament and 5 of them are determined by the US Open. So the reason you go to the US Open is it is by far your best chance to qualify for the 2015 World Team Trials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BraunMann 6 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Maybe I'm missing something, but read the qualifying rules here: http://content.themat.com/forms/2015-Trials-Procedures-MFS.pdf To me, that says there are a maximum of 8 spots in the challenge tournament and 5 of them are determined by the US Open. So the reason you go to the US Open is it is by far your best chance to qualify for the 2015 World Team Trials. Maybe improve seeding for the challenge tournament as well and get a bye in the first round? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
