davidtaylorgangordie 10 Report post Posted April 28, 2015 I know this isn't the right board for this, but surprised to see Caldwell is dropping to 135lb for his next flight in May. Could be a real force at that weight with his length if he can successfully make and hold that weight. WOW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted April 28, 2015 Weight cutting is reaching absurd levels in mma, to the point where people are dying from it. These guys have a 30 hour recovery period after weigh ins, plus a culture that's always asking fighters to go lower. When guys are fighting significantly below their wrestling weight it definitely raises eyebrows. I don't know Caldwells situation at all, obviously. As long as he frays healthy hell be great at any weight IMO. Just frustrated in general about how much weight people suck in this sport. I mean, international wrestling is pretty bad for sucking down but mma is worse, and it doesn't need to be. There's plenty of weight classes to go around. Getting off soapbox now... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingphish 1,037 Report post Posted April 28, 2015 Armspin, any links to articles about deaths from weight cutting in MMA? I feel like I would have heard something about that... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted April 28, 2015 http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/439049/Fighter-in-Brazil-dies-during-weight-cut/ this is the one i know of for sure. http://combatsportslaw.com/tag/weight-cut-reform/ http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/4/28/8507931/amateur-mma-fighter-collapses-dies-of-kidney-failure-washington-state-mma-news this one just happened. Not positive weight cutting played a role, but when a guy dies from kidney faulure after a fight there's a good chance it was involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gutfirst 220 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 This kid is awesome. He always does something to amaze. One of my favorites. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rlw028 106 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 I could be 100% wrong about this, but I think I remembered hearing that he pretty much walked around at 149 or so when he competed in college. Granted, he was pretty lean/I don't know that for sure...but some people carry weight differently. I checked his Sherdog account, and see he trains at Power MMA with Bader, Dolloway etc. For some reason I thought he was at AKA with Cormier, Cain, Rockhold etc...regardless, at least he's around a seemingly good team, I'd be more concerned if his Jr High wrestling coach or another MMA novice was his adviser. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heelpick 116 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 He looks too tall for 135. Not worth the huge health risks. Death from kidney failure in a fighter whether its boxing, wrestling, or mma is most likely from severe dehydration. Even rehydration via iv infusion may not be enough if the kidneys sustain enough damage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigRedMachine 210 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 Caldwell wrestled 152 as a senior in HS and NC State had him comfortably at 141 the next year. He's never struck me as some who has had much interest in cutting weight. I'm sure it will be a tough cut for him, but probably not quite as big of a cut as some may assume. 2 rlw028 and gutfirst reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gutfirst 220 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 Caldwell wrestled 152 as a senior in HS and NC State had him comfortably at 141 the next year. He's never struck me as some who has had much interest in cutting weight. I'm sure it will be a tough cut for him, but probably not quite as big of a cut as some may assume. darrion went up to 171 for the freestyle states as a senior when he was a bit over 150 at the time. 1 rlw028 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,045 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 If you remember, early in Caldwell's DI career, he wanted to play Football. With that in mind I don't think he ever wanted to lose weight. In fact, I would bet he is simply one of those guys who can't put on weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,089 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 His dad is built much the same. Ain't happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BraunMann 6 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) He should go to World Team Trials and represent the USA at Worlds instead. I truly believe that when healthy, he can beat Metcalf at will. One has to wonder if the loss to Tsirtsis when Tsirtsis was a high school kid broke Caldwell mind, body, and soul...even though he wasn't in prime condition when it happened. Edited April 29, 2015 by BraunMann Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldrules 32 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 Not even an original troll attempt. You are slacking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 1,175 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 I could be 100% wrong about this, but I think I remembered hearing that he pretty much walked around at 149 or so when he competed in college. Granted, he was pretty lean/I don't know that for sure...but some people carry weight differently. Yeah, he was walking around 5+ years ago at 149+ and probably >5% bodyfat. I think you're proving he should be nowhere near 135. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMardigain 1,637 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 One has to wonder if the loss to Tsirtsis when Tsirtsis was a high school kid broke Caldwell mind, body, and soul...even though he wasn't in prime condition when it happened. I think him failing to complete a simple backflip at national audiance was what broke him. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PapaBearSLIM 48 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 Weight cutting is reaching absurd levels in mma, to the point where people are dying from it. These guys have a 30 hour recovery period after weigh ins, plus a culture that's always asking fighters to go lower. When guys are fighting significantly below their wrestling weight it definitely raises eyebrows. I don't know Caldwells situation at all, obviously. As long as he frays healthy hell be great at any weight IMO. Just frustrated in general about how much weight people suck in this sport. I mean, international wrestling is pretty bad for sucking down but mma is worse, and it doesn't need to be. There's plenty of weight classes to go around. Getting off soapbox now... http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/439049/Fighter-in-Brazil-dies-during-weight-cut/ this is the one i know of for sure. http://combatsportslaw.com/tag/weight-cut-reform/ http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/4/28/8507931/amateur-mma-fighter-collapses-dies-of-kidney-failure-washington-state-mma-news this one just happened. Not positive weight cutting played a role, but when a guy dies from kidney faulure after a fight there's a good chance it was involved. An isolated death over a year ago is not a trend. MMA has been around for decades and boxing with similar weight cutting has been around damn near forever. Competitors aren't dropping like flies from weight cutting and until that happens you won't see any regulation of it. You said it perfectly: "I don't know Caldwells situation at all, obviously" That probably applies to just about all of us weighing in on his/other adults' choices of weight classes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 2,067 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 MMA fighters and all pro athletes to some degree are risking their health for money, so you just have to add the weight cutting risk to that equation. it's Caldwell's choice, i hope he make an informed one and one that makes him the happiest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Powerlift 1 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 He looks pretty ripped at 145, ten more lbs, who knows? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alwayswrestling 227 Report post Posted April 29, 2015 What is his MMA record? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted April 30, 2015 I agree Hasek, it's each athletes choice. However I do wish there was some regulation so athletes didn't have to chose between cutting 20+ lbs and being undersized. College wrestling has weight cutting restrictions. Supposedly the Russians have some guidelines as well. I don't think we need to have everyone cutting to the absolute limit of what their body is capable of losing. Papa, thankfully people aren't constantly dying from weight cutting. However it is messing up mma shows. Most UFC cards now have guys missing weight. Renan Barao passed out and ruined a title fight. Gastelum missed weight by 10 lb vs Woodley because he was hospitalized from excess cutting. How often does a guy miss weight at NCAAs? I'm not suggesting weight cutting being banned. That's not realistic, or fair to "tweeter" athletes. However there has to be some more sane solution than the enormous, dangerous cuts people are making right now. It would also make fight cards more fun if top fighters can pick up last minute fights rather than needing months notice just to make weight . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 820 Report post Posted April 30, 2015 What is his MMA record? sherdog has him at 6-0. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
