Perry 1,429 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 Miller's coaches did at ncaas and were told to sit down by both officials. Not sure what happened in this match but hopefully the coaches protested if it was wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 1,141 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 I think talking about the rules (of matches) is extremely important. These boards support wrestling. We are watching, so to speak, and if we point out BS it helps cut down on the BS factor. There was apparently lots of BS in the 1970s. From what I read (in the book Wrestlers at the Trials, about the olympic trials) the AAU (which was FILAs most of the time to administer the trials process before USWF took over) would have its favorites all the time. They hated Wade Schalles (he was too "out there") and wanted Jimmy Carr on the team a second time. One ref tells a story of being asked by the table official to find a way to give Carr another point at the end of a match. He refused. I would quote it more exactly but I don't have the book with me. PS We are bordering on title #4 (forum etiquette)! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LemonPie 1,368 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 Sorry about your son, Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angry_Fish 313 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Miller's coaches did at ncaas and were told to sit down by both officials.... They questioned it but did not file the official protest. No official challenge. No flag waived. Did not follow protocol. http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/252093-2015-NCAA-D1-Championships/video/764386-Ian-Miller-Scoring-Debacle#.VWsGxkaH96A http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/252093-2015-NCAA-D1-Championships/video/764388-NCAA-Explains-Miller-v-Realbuto-Controversy#.VWsHb0aH96A So back to Bob's match. Was there an official protest filed or did this kid's caoch fail him like Miller's did (assuming the wrong kid was awarded victory)? Edited May 31, 2015 by Angry_Fish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,210 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 OK, wrestling has resumed --- Cadets are all in consi matches ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperCoachMatt 4 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Knowarth's point was from the shot clock (Pd 1). Murin's point was from a pushout (Pd 2). The caution you see on the scoring sheet was the caution isued before the shot clock was turned on. So I don't believe it is used in the tiebreaking criteria. If there were 2 pushouts for points and 1 caution issued. Then I think the wrestler who received the caution would lose (regardless of who scored last). I know that is not spelled out in the rules you posted, but I belive that is the way it is applied. Angry_Fish has this right. The problem is an imperfect Trackwrestling method of documenting passivity/shot clock indications. Passivity calls are NOT cautions (and never have been in freestyle since the advent of the 30 second clock). So in this match, no actual cautions -- thus last point scored prevailed. For the avoidance of doubt, criteria is: 1. Highest valued hold(s) 2. Fewest cautions (but passivity is NOT a caution) 3. Last point scored. And yes, I KNOW this. Matt Edited May 31, 2015 by ViperCoachMatt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 1,141 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 Well, Murin is going to wrestle the winner of the Olivas-Raimo consi match. Raimo is the one who scored four points on Lee at the opening of their match (Lee won 14-4 but Raimo seemed tough). Raimo is tough, I just watched him pummel West 12-2. I doubt Murin wins vs either of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,210 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 I am experiencing streaming problems. Anyone else? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 1,141 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 Mine is holding steady. If my craps the bed during cadet finals I will start a thread on Flo's flaws. 1 nom reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 1,141 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 According to Trackwrestling the UWW Cadet finals are starting soon on mat 9. Maybe they will make announcements or sing the Star Spangled Banner first, but soon the wrestling starts. Should be fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,210 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 Nice!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angry_Fish 313 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Wonder what happened in Konrath's consi match where we was awarded the win 3-3 over Hagan but Hagan scored last. As Matt points out, you can't really tell what happened just from looking at Track. Maybe Bob can post the vid of the bout and we can see how it differend from the match that he lost. After this 3-3 win, the kid forfeited his next bout. Wonder why? Edited May 31, 2015 by Angry_Fish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Spartan 205 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 This is going to be good! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,210 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 D'emilio looked good. Tough whizzer defense. Opponent figured it out at the end but D'emilio wins 8-2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 1,141 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 Yes. I am leaning more and more toward Lee as I re-watch Fix's matches this year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 1,141 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 Yes. It will be good. I am leaning more and more toward Lee as I re-watch Fix's matches this year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 1,141 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Gable Stevenson is amazing to watch too. Apple Valley wrestler, same school as Mark Hall. Stevenson beat the Cadet World silver medalist to make the finals. Is he really overrated? Edited May 31, 2015 by BigTimeFan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,210 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 Teasdale likes the get behind, then duck low between the legs, grab ankles and bring him down ... worked 2x -- smart thinking to get guy down to knees and avoid that post position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,210 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 ok, here it is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 1,141 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 show time! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 1,141 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 Lee scores first, he's totally shut down Fix's awesome offense so far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 1,141 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 Boom! Lee scores again, 4-0 in the first period. Unreal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,210 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 Lee with TD at 50 sec mark after multiple attacks. ,,, near leglace but fix defends! Lee with another TD! 4-0. 30 to go in 1st. Wow. Locking fingers ... point to fix? white paddle. No point. Fix going but Lee position to solid. Fix can't get in. 2nd period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 1,141 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 So far two for two shoot and score ... refs seem heavily biased for Mr. Fix. They cautioned Lee in the first minute. Then they almost cautioned him again but it was white paddled. Wow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 1,141 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 Lee with TD at 50 sec mark after multiple attacks. ,,, near leglace but fix defends! Lee with another TD! 4-0. 30 to go in 1st. Wow. Locking fingers ... point to fix? white paddle. No point. Fix going but Lee position to solid. Fix can't get in. 2nd period. Outrageous! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
