Jaroslav Hasek 2,047 Report post Posted July 1, 2015 How about the number of NCAA titles? Or the number of Hodge winner's they beat? Of the number of championships their finals opponents won? Or who red shirted and who didn't? Accuse me of hating Burrough's but I never said Dake was better than him in International wrestling. On the other hand all the goalpost moving on earth will not change the fact that Dake had a far superior college career. It would be like me saying that Dake is better in freestyle regardless of what Burroughs has accomplished. counting hodge trophies i get the same number too. the only really big disparity i see in their careers is freestyle accomplishments. but maybe i'm just Dake hating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,224 Report post Posted July 1, 2015 I thoroughly enjoy the logic that a wrestler who wins as a freshman is always better than fellow champion wrestlers as a senior. No college wrestler has been a better wrestler, folkstyle or otherwise, than JB as a senior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
straggler 65 Report post Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) I thoroughly enjoy the logic that a wrestler who wins as a freshman is always better than fellow champion wrestlers as a senior. No college wrestler has been a better wrestler, folkstyle or otherwise, than JB as a senior. Thought Taylor had more dominant years. But he lost to Dake too. Edited July 1, 2015 by straggler Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 1,076 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) Thought Taylor had more dominant years. But he lost to Dake too. I think you focus way too much on NCAA performances. NCAA competition is a national pool of teenage and early-twenties young men who wrestle part-time. It's not a reliable measuring stick for senior-level freestyle -- a worldwide pool of adult wrestlers who wrestle full time. Not all NCAA champs are made the same. Despite there being ten NCAA champs every year, only four NCAA wrestlers have ever won an NCAA title and world title in the same year. JB is one of those guys. Edited July 2, 2015 by Katie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,996 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 This topic is now officially stupid. Dake had the better folkstyle career. Anyone who disputes this is a moron. JB has the better freestyle career, and it's not even remotely close. Anyone who disputes this is a bigger moron. JB is better than Dake right now in freestyle. Anyone who disputes this deserves to never post again. Whether or not Dake can narrow the gap in the future is completely unknowable and anyone who thinks they know should be tied to a barrel naked and caned for a few hours. Let's move on and root for JB as the American representative on Team USA to win Gold in Las Vegas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,587 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 It was official some time ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 1,076 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 This topic is now officially stupid. Dake had the better folkstyle career. Anyone who disputes this is a moron. JB has the better freestyle career, and it's not even remotely close. Anyone who disputes this is a bigger moron. JB is better than Dake right now in freestyle. Anyone who disputes this deserves to never post again. Whether or not Dake can narrow the gap in the future is completely unknowable and anyone who thinks they know should be tied to a barrel naked and caned for a few hours. Let's move on and root for JB as the American representative on Team USA to win Gold in Las Vegas! Why all the anger and violent fantasy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
belushijo 9 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 How about the number of NCAA titles? Or the number of Hodge winner's they beat? Of the number of championships their finals opponents won? Or who red shirted and who didn't? Accuse me of hating Burrough's but I never said Dake was better than him in International wrestling. On the other hand all the goalpost moving on earth will not change the fact that Dake had a far superior college career. It would be like me saying that Dake is better in freestyle regardless of what Burroughs has accomplished. Was Dake good enough to win a world title the same year he graduated college? I know someone who was...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heelpick 116 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 Yeah his name rhymes with Jordan Burroughs! Can't wait for worlds to see if he gets number 4! I would love to see another John Smith level career in my lifetime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,224 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 I am 100% behind the dude that achieved an unprecedented skill level in folkstyle wrestling! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,996 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 Why all the anger and violent fantasy? Because I want to cane you The Education. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heelpick 116 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 I am 100% behind the dude that achieved an unprecedented skill level in folkstyle wrestling! Cael Sanderson? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,224 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 No, he and Varner are going fishing during this years worlds. Varner has a new set of rusty fish hooks he is itching to try. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 But Dake wrestled better at the trials, if you take away the 20 pts Burroughs scored! 2 GranbyTroll and Jaroslav Hasek reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heelpick 116 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 If it wasn't for getting leg laced all across the mat, Dake would have won! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ari Gold 47 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) I think you focus way too much on NCAA performances. NCAA competition is a national pool of teenage and early-twenties young men who wrestle part-time. It's not a reliable measuring stick for senior-level freestyle -- a worldwide pool of adult wrestlers who wrestle full time. Not all NCAA champs are made the same. Despite there being ten NCAA champs every year, only four NCAA wrestlers have ever won an NCAA title and world title in the same year. JB is one of those guys. 1) Burroughs 2) John Smith 3) Lee Kemp...& 4) Yojiro Uetake? (Olympics/NCAA). Are these the four or did you mean specifically the World's, therefore counting someone other than Uetake? Edited July 2, 2015 by Ari Gold Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lil_red 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 Collegiate success is awesome and something to be proud of but NCAA success without international success does not make you a legend of the sport. If Burroughs and Dake were football players: Dake would be Tim Tebow - One of the most successful college careers ever. Little to no success in the NFL. Burroughs would be Tom Brady - LEGEND Which would you rather be? 1 sbdude reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 1,076 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 1) Burroughs 2) John Smith 3) Lee Kemp...& 4) Yojiro Uetake? (Olympics/NCAA). Are these the four or did you mean specifically the World's, therefore counting someone other than Uetake?Kemp, Smith ('87), Neal, and Burroughs won worlds the same year as NCAAs. Uetake and Smith ('88) won the Olympics the same year as NCAAs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,996 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 Collegiate success is awesome and something to be proud of but NCAA success without international success does not make you a legend of the sport. If Burroughs and Dake were football players: Dake would be Tim Tebow - One of the most successful college careers ever. Little to no success in the NFL. Burroughs would be Tom Brady - LEGEND Which would you rather be? Tebow, because he got more tail. Brady got good when he got married so he's been ball-and-chained for a long time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 I thought Tebow was famous for abstinence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,996 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 I thought Tebow was famous for abstinence? Clearly a front. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwh27 31 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 Brady married Gisele eight years after his first Super Bowl, or put another way, five years after his third Super Bowl and second Super Bowl MVP. Beforehand he dated Bridget Moynahan, complete smokeshow. I'd take Brady over the Christian do gooder. I jumped into this argument with two feet btw because the Dake-Burroughs argument has been getting so damn stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,996 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) Brady married Gisele eight years after his first Super Bowl, or put another way, five years after his third Super Bowl and second Super Bowl MVP. Beforehand he dated Bridget Moynahan, complete smokeshow. I'd take Brady over the Christian do gooder. I jumped into this argument with two feet btw because the Dake-Burroughs argument has been getting so damn stupid. I'm with you on the two feet, which is why I started the tangent. I still think Brady with all that spotlight on him could not possibly have made the moves of a college guy with all those 18-22 year old Florida hotties around him all day and all night. Edited July 2, 2015 by wrestlingnerd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,224 Report post Posted July 2, 2015 LOL Can't get more stupid than two 40 year old virgins arguing about which of two complete strangers gets more trim!! 1 KingK0ng reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
straggler 65 Report post Posted July 3, 2015 Was Dake good enough to win a world title the same year he graduated college? I know someone who was...... Different styles. Burroughs is perfectly suited for freestyle. Burroughs is very explosive and great in the neutral position. That is what freestyle values. It is comparatively one dimensional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
